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    Delay Vectors?

    I don't fly IFR much, and I don't remember this from my IFR training days, but I just read about "delay vectors". From my understanding, a delay vector is a vector out in a safe direction and altitude to kill time. My questions are:

    1. Can I request this, or is this something that can only be assigned by controller?
    2. If I can request this, when is it appropriate to request?
    3. Are there any limitations or issues when requesting this?

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    Re: Delay Vectors?

    I've been at this a while, and I've never known anyone to assign a vector for delay. For traffic, for climb or descent, for spacing, for weather -- sure.

    If for some reason you don't want to proceed with your filed flight plan right now, and you want to delay in your general vicinity, I would ask to enter holding at a fix, and tell the controller for how long and what you plan to do afterward.

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    Re: Delay Vectors?

    You can ask to hold and delay over a fix perhaps. To "run a checklist" I've seen delay vectors to aircraft that were launched before a coordinated release window with TMU and/or the field is under a ground stop. Ive seen center call up and say see that guy over x fix. Hes holding for an hour because your controller launched him too soon.

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    Re: Delay Vectors?

    As a center controller, and traffic dependant, I'll let you just about whatever you feel like if you're not in anyone else's way.
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    Re: Delay Vectors?

    To work in the EWR area @N90 you must have a PHD on delay vectors!

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    Re: Delay Vectors?

    I give delay vectors every day for time based metering. Anywhere from a few minutes to 40 minutes. Only delay vectors I can think of if you aren’t going into my main airport is if someone hasn’t cancelled ifr before you and it’s one in one out, sometimes I will give you delay vectors in lieu of a hold.

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    Re: Delay Vectors?

    Perhaps it is just a difference in semantics. At my previous facility, it was described as "vectoring for sequence". But here they call it "assigning delay vectors". In practice, I am doing the same thing.

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    Re: Delay Vectors?

    Request away and do so as early on as you can. I do it often enough to not call it rare. Usually for me it's when the crew loaded too much fuel and are too heavy to land.

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    Re: Delay Vectors?

    Quote Originally Posted by j_time41 View Post
    I give delay vectors every day for time based metering. Anywhere from a few minutes to 40 minutes. Only delay vectors I can think of if you aren’t going into my main airport is if someone hasn’t cancelled ifr before you and it’s one in one out, sometimes I will give you delay vectors in lieu of a hold.
    Good ole metering to MSP. Had to slow down all my arrivals this morning for metering
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    Re: Delay Vectors?

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil07 View Post
    I don't fly IFR much, and I don't remember this from my IFR training days, but I just read about "delay vectors". From my understanding, a delay vector is a vector out in a safe direction and altitude to kill time. My questions are:

    1. Can I request this, or is this something that can only be assigned by controller?
    2. If I can request this, when is it appropriate to request?
    3. Are there any limitations or issues when requesting this?
    I've had pilots request delay vectors so they could do a seat swap. Also when they need to do some extra checks they'll ask for extended vectors.
    I've given delay vectors when I'm not exactly sure how long a runway will be closed. Putting them in a hold could be more trouble than it's worth, but I've also been 30 minutes into vectoring 15 airplanes across the sky wishing I had put them into holding.

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