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    Re: Maintain VFR at or Above 8000

    Quote Originally Posted by Stinger View Post
    There is no mechanism to cancel the IFR flight plan at a towered airport other than you landing.
    A controller watches you land, and that is it. No computer entry or phone call or anything.
    Then isn't that the mechanism? The controller in the tower watches the airplane land, but then the controller must press a button or take some action to inform the system that IFR flight plan is closed, correct? My understanding is that my IFR flight plan sits in the ATC computers. Or has FAA perfected the integration of human and computer?

    Or is it just a physical data strip that goes in a "landed" basket or the trash when airplane has safely landed?

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    Re: Maintain VFR at or Above 8000

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil07 View Post
    Then isn't that the mechanism? The controller in the tower watches the airplane land, but then the controller must press a button or take some action to inform the system that IFR flight plan is closed, correct? My understanding is that my IFR flight plan sits in the ATC computers. Or has FAA perfected the integration of human and computer?

    Or is it just a physical data strip that goes in a "landed" basket or the trash when airplane has safely landed?
    No. We watch you land. That's it.

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    Re: Maintain VFR at or Above 8000

    Well, there is an automation side of it too. When you land, your radar data tag goes into a certain list on the scope of recently landed aircraft and your flight plan is automatically removed from the system. You can ask to keep it open and the controller can “suspend” the data so it doesn’t drop out. Once you make a full stop landing though, whether your flight plan is saved or not, that flight is over and you should be issued a new clearance before you depart again. When you fixed the issue and asked to depart again, the controller should have asked your intentions in my opinion. I personally would have given you a new clearance and treated it like a new flight. There is room for debate/confusion in this situation since it’s a bit uncommon.

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    Re: Maintain VFR at or Above 8000

    Quote Originally Posted by TimShady View Post
    Well, there is an automation side of it too. When you land, your radar data tag goes into a certain list on the scope of recently landed aircraft and your flight plan is automatically removed from the system. You can ask to keep it open and the controller can “suspend” the data so it doesn’t drop out. Once you make a full stop landing though, whether your flight plan is saved or not, that flight is over and you should be issued a new clearance before you depart again. When you fixed the issue and asked to depart again, the controller should have asked your intentions in my opinion. I personally would have given you a new clearance and treated it like a new flight. There is room for debate/confusion in this situation since it’s a bit uncommon.
    This makes a lot of sense. It was a very unusual situation. It all happened so quickly, we taxied off, then turned back around and departed from the same intersection we exited and tower asked us to expedite, and we were off again in like a minute or so. I'll know to ask for a hold note, or suspend or something next time, if this ever happens again.

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