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    Re: Maintain VFR at or Above 8000

    The simplest answer is someone entered your Altitude as /VFR, and from then on out was assumed you were only receiving fight following. I'll occasionally get VFR ac traveling at IFR altitudes and I'd generally not question it unless they were traffic with an ifr AC.
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    Re: Maintain VFR at or Above 8000

    Quote Originally Posted by Gooky2 View Post
    A couple of questions:

    1. You filed an IFR flight plan, did you receive an IFR clearance on the ground or in the air?

    2. No one in the two hours of flying asked you why you were flying at an IFR altitude and not at a VFR one?

    Somewhere along the line you got tagged as VFR and not IFR. A mistake was obviously made.
    1. IFR clearance was received on ground frequency at our departure airport.
    2. We were IFR for about 300 miles and even were "cleared" for an RNAV approach at our first stop. It was supposed to be a touch and go, but we had to stop taxi back and take off, and were off within 2 or 3 minutes. After that is when the mixup occurred. The stop was in our IFR flight plan, and we even had copied down instructions for departure before we were cleared for the approach. When we switched back to departure, we said something like "N1234 1700 climbing to 3000". I think this is when we got tagged as VFR, even though we were on the same transponder code. (I was doing the flying while the CFI was doing the radio, so, unless I missed it, I think we never changed squawk code the entire 4 hour round trip).

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    Re: Maintain VFR at or Above 8000

    Quote Originally Posted by TimShady View Post
    When you say you did touch and go’s along the way, did you stay in the pattern at any of the airports? If so, after departing the pattern there is room for confusion on whether you are now VFR and need to be recleared. I think this was a debate at my last facility but it’s been several years since I’ve worked approach so I can’t remember.
    We had planned to do a touch and go, but had to land, and taxi back, then took off. We didn't do any pattern work. Just took off and contacted departure when instructed by the tower. I thought that maybe the extra few minutes of delay on the ground when we had to taxi back caused the issue, because maybe approach was expecting us back within 2 minutes. Maybe the tower cancelled us when we landed?

    This is probably an important detail that I left out. We were going to do a touch and go, but had an electrical/mechanical issue, so we asked for full stop landing at last minute on final, then on the ground asked to taxi to nearest FBO, but we corrected the issue while still taxing then ask and were cleared to turn around and take off. Is it possible that tower canceled our IFR flight plan because we had asked to taxi to FBO? Even though, we called back within 60 seconds and asked for take-off? We were back in the air within 2 or 3 minutes it was a very long runway and we just took off from where we were (intersection take-off).

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    Re: Maintain VFR at or Above 8000

    If you got cleared back off climbing to 3k, how did you end up at 8k?

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    Re: Maintain VFR at or Above 8000

    Quote Originally Posted by jdatc624 View Post
    If you got cleared back off climbing to 3k, how did you end up at 8k?
    We eventually got cleared up to our cruising altitude, and we were at that altitude for a while. We were flying for about an hour before the "Maintain VFR at or about 8000" incident.
    Last edited by Devil07; 08-31-2018 at 03:58 PM. Reason: clarification

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    Re: Maintain VFR at or Above 8000

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil07 View Post
    We eventually got cleared up to our cruising altitude, and we were at that altitude for a while. We were flying for about an hour before the "Maintain VFR at or about 8000" incident.
    So you must have still showed IFR then after your landing if they cleared you up to 8k. I know you are pruposfully vague about where it occurred, but I wonder if your flight plan got dropped out of the NAS and then during a coordination from one approach control to another something got missed....

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    Re: Maintain VFR at or Above 8000

    Quote Originally Posted by jdatc624 View Post
    So you must have still showed IFR then after your landing if they cleared you up to 8k. I know you are pruposfully vague about where it occurred, but I wonder if your flight plan got dropped out of the NAS and then during a coordination from one approach control to another something got missed....
    thats my guess. Flight plan dropped out after one of the T+G’s but the facility he was doing approaches with never lost the tag and receiving facility didn’t have any info on him, or the first facility screwed up an FDiO entry somehow.

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    Re: Maintain VFR at or Above 8000

    Quote Originally Posted by NovemberEcho View Post
    thats my guess. Flight plan dropped out after one of the T+G’s but the facility he was doing approaches with never lost the tag and receiving facility didn’t have any info on him, or the first facility screwed up an FDiO entry somehow.
    I'm curious, what is the mechanism by which tower cancels an IFR flight plan automatically. Is it usually done upon landing by controller on "tower" frequency or is it usually done by "ground" controller once aircraft contacts ground frequency? If its the latter, then that would explain it, because of the unexpected mechanical issue, we did not do a touch & go, instead we exited and momentarily were on Ground frequency when we got it fixed while taxing and turned around and took off.

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