2152 BID IS OUT.... EXPERIENCED CONTROLLERS

Papa Delta

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I'm going to concur with jam. My friend who was denied with a CTO didn't put it very clear his dates of time he was certified. Faa enjoys easy to read bullets. Date Start. Date end. Qual.
...a good point made. Pink card and CTOs only show qual date, not span of time that you worked the position. People who did not specify exact dates that they were qualified did not follow directions and it makes sense that they would be DQ'ed. The fault is theirs.
 

joejoetj

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The pink card merely says when you get the rating. You have to use other means to show that you did it for over 52 weeks. I.E. send copies of evaluations reporting the number of months you did it. Ensure that you resume show where you worked how long and what qualifications you had.

i.e. If you were stationed at NAS Key West from May 2005 until April 2007 and your pink card from there says you were certified ratcf on august 2006 then that does not provide assurance that you held the certification for 52 weeks even though you do have over 52 weeks controlling at NAS Key West.

They don't have time to ponder things like that. So when they see you got certified ratcf in aug and left the following april they just do the math and see it is less than 52 weeks and disqual you. It is your job to ensure they know the dates of certification and the date you left the job.

This is applying for a government job so don't worry about your resume being to long or uploading too many documents. The more the better for government jobs. Upload certificates, evals, awards etc whatever it takes to verify you did it for 52 weeks. I.E. an end or tour award saying you did approach control for over 52 weeks is verification of the requirement.
 

BrewnATC

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...a good point made. Pink card and CTOs only show qual date, not span of time that you worked the position. People who did not specify exact dates that they were qualified did not follow directions and it makes sense that they would be DQ'ed. The fault is theirs.
So those that specified dates and even included qual cover sheets along with pink card and CTOs and still DQ?
 

RBRCRJ

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Jan 21, 2015
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15 years as an FAA controller
Tower/Tracon
Watch supervisor
OJTI
3 CTOs
Fully successful in every phase of training, letters of commendation, AND I put the bid number on all supporting documentation.
...Not eligible for further consideration
 

joejoetj

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Jun 26, 2010
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15 years as an FAA controller
Tower/Tracon
Watch supervisor
OJTI
3 CTOs
Fully successful in every phase of training, letters of commendation, AND I put the bid number on all supporting documentation.
...Not eligible for further consideration
It has to be something simple that has it mixed up. I.E. error on SF-50 or something that pinged it as disqual. Has to be a typo or something left off the application.
 

josiahdoles

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Feb 7, 2011
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Out of curiosity, those who have been DQ'd that clearly have the experience, did you reiterate dates of certification in the KSA portion of the application itself in addition to your resume?

(Reviewed, Green Check)
 

RBRCRJ

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Jan 21, 2015
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Out of curiosity, those who have been DQ'd that clearly have the experience, did you reiterate dates of certification in the KSA portion of the application itself in addition to your resume?

(Reviewed, Green Check)
Affirmative. I specifically listed the certification dates at each facility in the Knowledge, Skills, and Abilities section.
 

Semper Fly

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Aug 25, 2014
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15 years as an FAA controller
Tower/Tracon
Watch supervisor
OJTI
3 CTOs
Fully successful in every phase of training, letters of commendation, AND I put the bid number on all supporting documentation.
...Not eligible for further consideration

Maybe an age thing for you? Don't your years of experience minus your age have to equal 31 or something?
Because I never put my qual end dates, I just put the starting date of my quals and I've been green checked and eligible.
 

RBRCRJ

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Jan 21, 2015
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Maybe an age thing for you? Don't your years of experience minus your age have to equal 31 or something?
Because I never put my qual end dates, I just put the starting date of my quals and I've been green checked and eligible.
It's my understanding that for reinstatements, age is not an issue as long as you were initially appointed to an Air Traffic position prior to the age of 31, and the maximum age has not been reached.

The application asked, "Were you originally appointed as a FAA/DoD Air Traffic Control Specialist (ATCS) in a terminal or center prior to age 31...? If yes, you must provide a copy of a Notification of Personnel Action (SF-50) that verifies original appointment to a civilian 2152 occupational series prior to reaching the maximum entry age of 31. Any type of SF-50 may be used to verify this information. Also, you MUST provide your date of birth in the following format: mm/dd/yyyy in the text box below."

Yes, I was initially appointed prior to age 31, and provided my SF-50 indicating my birth date and initial hire date, and provided by date of birth as specified.

I have no idea what disqualified me. This agency hired me, trained me, certified me, and now they keep telling me I'm not qualified!
 

planenutzz

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Question for those who still say received. Does aviator still say "Your application associated with announcement FAA-ATO-15-ATC-EXP-38839 has been further reviewed by the servicing office. Based on this review, we have determined that you are eligible for further consideration for the position(s) associated with this announcement. Please review the announcement requirements or contact the number listed in the announcement if you would like further information".