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kilomike104

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For the military people who haven't worked a lot of GA I suggest buying a Janes and start working on your aircraft recognition.
 

nfingers

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I find that silly. But I'm fairly certain the majority of military have worked a lot of GA. I have no problem calling a c206 a cessna instead of a stationair. Or even calling the full callsign. And if someone calls up as a centurion..... then it only takes one transmission to ask about the aircraft nomenclature.
 

phillyman2633

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For the military people who haven't worked a lot of GA I suggest buying a Janes and start working on your aircraft recognition.
Not really a necessity. If you are able to remember your SRS shit, it doesn't really matter. Most same aircraft category have comparable characteristics IMO. I don't care if it's a C310 or a C402 or a C421 or a PA27 or a PA31 or....etc. The bigger piston twins can slow down enough if they're following a slower twin. It's all the same shit.
 

jamisjockey

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I guess I was spoiled working a joint use airfield as my first facility. But like philly says, don't obsess over learning aircraft types. Familiarize yourself with them, and how they fit in the categories.
 

walter_white

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I find that silly. But I'm fairly certain the majority of military have worked a lot of GA. I have no problem calling a c206 a cessna instead of a stationair. Or even calling the full callsign. And if someone calls up as a centurion..... then it only takes one transmission to ask about the aircraft nomenclature.
I'm willing to bet most military haven't worked GA, especially those with only CTO. Studying Jane's is a little overboard. Like Philly said, know your SRS. You'll find out what works and what doesn't, and once your checked out, you can push the envelope even more
 

BrewnATC

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I'm willing to bet most military haven't worked GA, especially those with only CTO. Studying Jane's is a little overboard. Like Philly said, know your SRS. You'll find out what works and what doesn't, and once your checked out, you can push the envelope even more
Bet you would be wrong. I imagine most military tower controllers worked plenty of GA transition traffic in the Class D.
 

acchesnut

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So being in the navy for 5 years and a farmer for the last 2, I have zero professional attire. Can you get away with polos and khakis in the faa or do you need a more professional wardrobe?
 

jamisjockey

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So being in the navy for 5 years and a farmer for the last 2, I have zero professional attire. Can you get away with polos and khakis in the faa or do you need a more professional wardrobe?
Absolutely.
The dress code is pretty lax, actually, but my advice (that I'll be following even as a returned CPCIT) is to dress like you take yourself and the job seriously.
kahkis or nice jeans and collared shirts M-F. Neat clean T shirts only on weekends.
 

BrewnATC

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Transiting delta and stuffing an arrival into the approach sequence are two different things.
Agreed. But what's the difference mixing fast/slow military and GA? If you can sequence an F-18 and T-34s along with helo traffic, or E2s and jets it's all the same. Plane just looks different and different SRS categories

Plus who cares about the difference between a Duke and a Baron or Skyhawk and a Centurion? November call sign works for all.
 

Bear-Claw

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So being in the navy for 5 years and a farmer for the last 2, I have zero professional attire. Can you get away with polos and khakis in the faa or do you need a more professional wardrobe?
Based on where you are now. All the spring sales are going down. Got a bunch of button up shirts and nicer pants for <12$ a piece. Nicer shoes brand new on eBay for <25$ men's oxfords/alpine swiss. Look nice don't kill the bank....because apparently I'm note supposed to wear my mil uniform
 
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Agreed. But what's the difference mixing fast/slow military and GA? If you can sequence an F-18 and T-34s along with helo traffic, or E2s and jets it's all the same. Plane just looks different and different SRS categories

Plus who cares about the difference between a Duke and a Baron or Skyhawk and a Centurion? November call sign works for all.
Agree. Some military airports work 1 type of aircraft, or only like type aircraft. But a lot of military air traffic facilities work mostly civilian traffic and very different types. How does working air carriers, mail runners and Novembers, not translate into an FAA facility doing the same thing?.....
 

WhoWantsAMoustacheRide

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Agreed. But what's the difference mixing fast/slow military and GA? If you can sequence an F-18 and T-34s along with helo traffic, or E2s and jets it's all the same. Plane just looks different and different SRS categories

Plus who cares about the difference between a Duke and a Baron or Skyhawk and a Centurion? November call sign works for all.
If you're in a tower, your instructor will likely make you care. I know that sounds ridiculous, but some of them will be sticklers for knowing aircraft identification and characteristics. I wouldn't stress over it right now, but if your instructor says "memorize it", I wouldn't say "why? who cares?".
 

ATCWannabe12

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I'm in a RAPCON and 85% of our traffic in civilian, so it probably just depends where you are and the type of facility.