3 Failed the En Route PV today
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It's funny, there's actually a person working ghost pilot (sorta) for the tower sims too. The voice recognition isn't the greatest, so they're kind of the backup, making sure everything's running correctly. I understand it used to have a really hard time with Southern accents. Ironic, given how many people in OKC have them. I don't know if they've fixed it since then.
But yeah, you'll have an RPO on the other side. Two, actually. One's a Raytheon person who does all the ATC stuff, the other is another student in your class controlling the planes. You talk to the Raytheon person, the R-side talks to the student.
But yeah, you'll have an RPO on the other side. Two, actually. One's a Raytheon person who does all the ATC stuff, the other is another student in your class controlling the planes. You talk to the Raytheon person, the R-side talks to the student.
When I first got to OKC I was like wtf the student doesn't do R-side too? I found it very surprising. We did all positions at ERAU but I guess this helps them focus on D-side since it's what they'll be doing their first 2 years at their facilities.
One of the instructors was pretty heavy handed in regards to what amounted to judgement calls. I got by far my lowest score from said instructor with 0 separation errors. "You should have done this first instead of this" and things of that nature. I didn't give a shit because I only needed a 5 or something and it was my final eval, but if I'd have failed because of something like that I probably would have freaked out a bit.
Subjective grading can help or hurt you...just like checkrides for flying. Some guys will give you another shot if you rough a maneuver up but some will go shoulder deep in your ass...just gotta go with the flow and try to get a feel for what their style is.
Two of the radar eval problems were not very difficult. Our class had those two on the first day. The third problem was brutal, that is the one where you are very busy immediately. Fortunately I had enough points to pass the Academy after the first two problems because I did lousy on the third one. Also, some of the evaluators will take points off on a certain action while others wont. Some of their judgements are in direct contrast to what you will be taught by your Raytheon classroom instructor. It can get frustrating.
3 is the magic number. Sadly, some fellow classmates got sent home today. You weren't kidding about that last problem. Lol it was def brutal. But, def possible to kill it and get a good grade. I got a 73 on it, and one of my buddies in my class got a 100.
Interesting, when I was at OKC, it was the other way around. Students made all the land line calls. It got really old when you were remoted for someone who would never pick up the tower or FSS dial lines for 20+ minutes.
Heh. Now it's old for the Raytheon guys. They switched it right around the same time they switched to the progressive grading format. Apparently some study showed that students learned more being the planes than being the controllers. Or so the instructors said.
Keep in mind this is for the En Route class... Not tower. Tower classes still have a retake but with the new grading system for En Route classes, it's all based on a point system with no retakes.
Good Luck Everyone!
But but but I thought CTI kids were always better than the OTS ones!!! This changes my outlook on life.
It depends of the ratio of VRA/CTI/OTS students in the class. Science will answer this.
18 of 18 could fail or no one could fail...it all depends on the individual (and the highly subjective grading)
Yeah...take non-radar seriously and learn your phraseology there (it will help you in radar). Yes, non-radar is not really used like it is at the academy...yes, stripmarking is not always done in the field by the book...
...but what some people don't understand is that while you're at the academy, the only thing that matters is how the academy does things.