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Lol tell that to tommy tougnuts up there.

But obviously that wasn't my intention man. All the best to you and good luck whichever route you decide to go!
 

angelorozco101

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I hope there was an error in this Bio-q so that ALL of you may be selected. Plan B for me, is now in motion. ATC in the military, is it worth it? I know most of you guys must feel terrible right now but I must make some life changing decisions sooner then later. Did you guys enjoy it? Should I still consider it?
 

eric86

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I hope there was an error in this Bio-q so that ALL of you may be selected. Plan B for me, is now in motion. ATC in the military, is it worth it? I know most of you guys must feel terrible right now but I must make some life changing decisions sooner then later. Did you guys enjoy it? Should I still consider it?
It really depends on the individual. I enjoyed controlling but i hated the military.
 

Plattler01

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I hope there was an error in this Bio-q so that ALL of you may be selected. Plan B for me, is now in motion. ATC in the military, is it worth it? I know most of you guys must feel terrible right now but I must make some life changing decisions sooner then later. Did you guys enjoy it? Should I still consider it?
It depends on what your idea of worth it really is, you cant think of it as just being an air traffic controller who happens to be an airman/sailor/marine/soldier either, there's just so much extra stuff involved beyond just "the job". Its been a good experience for me since i've gotten to gain some experience and qualifications while getting a steady paycheck. I wouldn't write it off if I were you, but its not a decision you should take lightly.
 

turnrob

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I really enjoy it, a lot of work went into achieving the qualifications. My personal advice for you is, if you want to join the military and get out and work in the FAA you should be under 23 years old. Now if you want a career in the military and work air traffic control you should join. I've worked with people who enlisted when they were over 28 years old and guaranteed atc. You just have to realize being older you will have NCOs who are in their early 20s giving you orders and telling you what to do. All branches of the military have their pros and cons AF is from what I can tell the best option, best bases, best living conditions. USMC is great too,they have good atc qualifications and must achieve a major (CTO, Approach, Arrival qual) by 3 years, but you are expected to do alot of extra "marine duties", and the bases and barracks are normally pretty sh***y. Navy comes 3rd there's always a chance of sea duty and being stuck on a ship for a couple years, not really doing atc. Army atc is a joke. Anyways that's just my 00.02$ Take it for what it's worth
 

ColdAilment

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Hello, I don't know about you guys, but chances are, I won't be selected this bid, or any upcoming bid. I really want to be a controller some day , but I doubt I'll be selected any time soon. Especially because all I have is an AS and work experience. Do any of you guys have a plan B? I have a pretty good paying job, but it's in retail. I don't want to do this the rest of my life. I'm turning 23 this year and I was wondering if I pursued ATC in the military, would I be pushing the age limit when I came out? Does any one know the ASVAB score needed to qualify for ATC ? What do you guys suggest?
If you got into the military right now you would still have plenty of time. 31 is the cut off, as you already know. Most enlistments for air traffic controllers are 5 years, plenty of time to get a CTO and other important qualifications. You just have to be sure you go to the right facility and move quickly enough.

At my facility the junior people who come straight from A-School rarely get fully qualified or CTO's, as they are often puddle jumped over by higher ranked people, so it can be tough, unless you have the connections, the timing, and the smarts and motivation.
 

ColdAilment

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I hope there was an error in this Bio-q so that ALL of you may be selected. Plan B for me, is now in motion. ATC in the military, is it worth it? I know most of you guys must feel terrible right now but I must make some life changing decisions sooner then later. Did you guys enjoy it? Should I still consider it?

I LOVE air traffic control. How many other jobs exist where you are able to sit down in a nice comfy chair all day and just talk to pilots? Of course it's more invasive than just that, but many days equate to going to the tower and being there, clearing a few guys to land and take off, etc, and other coordination, but easy day.

The military part is give and take. I don't think it's that bad, and I probably could end up being a career man if I wanted to, but I don't. There's too much extra bullcrap that goes with the military, so much kiss ass you have to do to get a leg up or to get ahead. Of course it's all necessary to a strong and cohesive military, and the rank structure is also very important, but it weighs on you. I get tired of the extra baggage that comes with it, plus deployments and moving every few years would suck.
 

M_Kilo

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It takes somewhere from a 55-75 ASVAB score to get picked up in the AF; it is not difficult, just take some time to study. Just to let you know something though, timing is a huge factor and these Biographical tests may get in your way if you do actually decide to go AF before trying FAA. I will give you an example. I have been doing ATC in the AF for almost 5 years of my 6 year enlistment; I have a RAPCON RAPC and Watch Supervisor ratings along with a STARS specialist code. My base is one of the busiest in the AF. I have an Associates of Applied Science in ATC Ops and Management and a Bachelors degree. ... I was not selected due to my answers because, apparently, I am not fit for the job. A 6 year commitment to the AF for the goal of being a controller is a huge gamble; you may not even make it through training while in the AF... then what will you do. Take some time to think about it seriously.
 

angelorozco101

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I'm scheduled to take the ASVAB on the 24th. I'm considering the Navy. It's only a 5 year enlistment.

EDIT: I really want to do AF ATC but I was told they wouldn't work with me if I only want to chose ATC.
Who knows, maybe after I take the ASVAB I'll be "easier" to work with.
 

duranme

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I'm scheduled to take the ASVAB on the 24th. I'm considering the Navy. It's only a 5 year enlistment.

EDIT: I really want to do AF ATC but I was told they wouldn't work with me if I only want to chose ATC.
Who knows, maybe after I take the ASVAB I'll be "easier" to work with.

Thats recruiter bullshit. Say you want atc and youre willing to wait.

The recruiter will try and make you sign for "open general" say air traffic guarenteed and that's it.

Don't let the swindlers trying to make numbers a head start
 

ColdAilment

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Thats recruiter bullshit. Say you want atc and youre willing to wait.

The recruiter will try and make you sign for "open general" say air traffic guarenteed and that's it.

Don't let the swindlers trying to make numbers a head start
This is true.

I basically told them I was only going to join the Navy if there was an open ATC billet. I had to wait in the Delayed Entry Program for 9 months, but I finally got in.
 

Klown

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Marine ATC is only a 5 year contract. I did it for 9 years then became a contract worker here in Afghanistan as a controller. Just received my TOL yesterday. Not only will you receive vet preference, but also have ATC experience to go along with it.
 

SSgt Young

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The thing you need to remember about the Navy is that you aren't promised any type of qualifications. If your first duty station is a ship, your quals will not count towards work experience in the FAA's eyes. Granted, ship atc is kick ass busy at times but the FAA doesn't see it that way. Shore stations in the navy can get you valuable work experience, however you have to actually train. I know at one point if you weren't at least an e-3 of 4 they wouldn't even start to train you. That may have changed. There is a stigma that is attached to going the USMC route. Everyone thinks that you will be kicking in doors and only learning how to fight and ATC training comes second. Also, there is a common misconception out there that Marines are all hardasses and life sucks in the Corps. It's all a matter of perspective. In my first enlistment I was basically center and approached qualified only it wasn't called that then. Every Marine base offers a CTO opportunity. I will say that Marine life is what you make of it. If you have the attitude that it sucks and you can't wait to leave, life will suck. If you just deal with everything that is thrown at you with a good attitude, then you'll do well. There are some complete jerks in the Marine Corps and that sucks but that happens in every type of "work" environment. Whatever route you decide, do your research and make the best decision for you. I can tell you that my time in the Marine Corps made me an awesome controller and has helped me do well in life. Good luck and don't let the recruiters bullshit you.
 

sevenup06

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Witchamom, HO
I really couldn't agree more with what the military controllers are saying. While it's a great route to go (I went Army, three CTO's later I'm still here) it's definitely not a decision to make just based on the controlling aspect. Military life is military life, and there's a lot more to deal with than just controlling like other people have said.. For example, I'm going through a discharge with a pretty serious situation behind it, and even though I have met every single requirement to the letter in the regulation that allows me to get out, AND we're downsizing, I'm running into resistance while I'm trying to get out. I have found that people will do the least amount of work possible to get by, and that normally consists of saying "No, we can't do this/that", or "I don't know how to do this, you have to talk to xxx" who will send you back to xyz and so on, so forth. It's stressful at times, just like the job, but it is also one of the best decisions I made with my life.. Just the re-enlisting was the mistake lol..

EDIT: I forgot to mention that each duty station I've been at either immediately put me in the tower or had the option to get there. I have never once asked for an opportunity to be CTO qualified and before I discovered that my head was lodged deeply in my ass I even tried to resist being transferred to another tower, based off the fact that I liked the crew at my old one. The opportunities are also there in the Army, and since I've never served in another branch I can't say from experience whether they have more or less.
 

davidcase

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I joined the Navy in 2009. I spent 4 days in Charlotte NC MEPS fighting for AC. I got the same run around as everyone else "sign up for anything and we can fix it later" but def don't trust them unless it's on paper. No one can emphasise that enough. As far as my 5 year enlistment, I have enjoyed most of it. I made E5 in about 3 years which is common for our rate and over all well above average for the average advancement in other rates. I am currently stationed in Diego Garcia in the Indian Ocean. It's interesting. It makes for my second CTO (if you can call it that) but I do have more legitimate experience with Local and RFC from NAS Kingsville. If you do a 5 and out in the Navy you can expect to either extend at your last command or go to DG because it's a one year unaccompanied billet. Possible Souda Bay, Greece for the same reason. I don't regret my decision at all even though I'm 29 and the BioQ is chafing my balls off. I haven't given up yet but I kind of came to terms with the idea of looking into CSX or BNSF to do railroad dispatch. The pay is good and they favor military ATC for the positions. Also I hear a CTO can go a long way applying for any DOT jobs. Good luck to you no matter what you decide. Hope that helped a little.
 

kenie311

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Do not trust the recruiter! They are pushing numbers and AC is just not the number they are pushing this month. Wait it out if thats what you want. Don't accept anything unless its on paper. I know a girl who was an AC on a carrier with me, she got out worked contract and then became a FAA controller at ZHU. So it is possible for you to work your way there from a ship. Just don't let anyone talk to you into anything. If they need the numbers that month, they will find you an AC slot!
 

davidcase

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Also don't let anyone tell you that any combination of letters that make up a rate is "just like AC" or "practically AC" *COUGH* OS. It's a trick and it's worked on plenty of people in the past.
 

kenie311

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Hey I'm an OS, don't be a hater! lol. But yes if ATC is what you want, don't pick OS, AIC or ASTAC controllers are not the same thing as AC, unless you love talking to planes while they spit out buoys...then OS is your job! haha
 

davidcase

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Haha nothing wrong with it at all but a good friend of mine joined the Navy about the same time as me from VA and a guy he went to school with came back from MEPS jumping up and down because he "got AC in his first visit" turned out he got OS and they just spun him at the office. Not a bad job but like you said, It's not the same.