Bait and Switch

Tommy10

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I was chosen for MCO paid the $400 for hotel and airfare to go to the NYC PEPC. Everything worked out great there and I rcv'd my TOL for MCO. Today I rcv'd an email from HR telling me that I have been redirected to JAX. I can't move to Jacksonville so therefore I am out my $400. HR is telling me that I am not out of anything b/c if I am selected again that I will bypass the PEPC. Yeah, that is IF I am selected for a facility of my choice. If I had known about JAX before I went to the PEPC then I would have never went. And the sad part is that they get away with it.
 

Pants81

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Wow that sucks, they pulled a fast one on ya....I wonder how long a all your clearances from the PEPC last maybe you can hold off until you get exactly what you want...good luck on that one...did you call MCO or any one else besides okc hr? is there any where else you can or want to go besides mco? whats wrong with jax?
 

Max Power

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pretty picky for a PUBNAT to not accept something 4 hours away. Your saying your out $400 because you wouldnt have even gone to the PEPC if it wasnt MCO?
 

Rosstafari

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Sorry to hear about the switch. Probably not much comfort, but you're not the only one its happened to. Doesn't make it an acceptable practice, though.
 

noid

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pretty picky for a PUBNAT to not accept something 4 hours away.
From Rockledge to JIA is about 2.5 hrs.

Honestly, if you want this job that bad, I would figure out a way to get there. It's not that far away to move, so getting an apartment up there isn't that big of an issue. You are not "guaranteed" anything so getting another shot is not a given. I find it amazing when people who have no experience in a field get picky when they don't get what they want, then get mad when they don't get another shot. Take what you can get, then work on what you want.

Now, I do understand that people have their individual circumstances and sometimes it makes it impossible to do something, but more often that not, it's just being picky.

Either way, I wish you the best, but if there is ANY way you can make it work, DO IT!
 

Niagra19

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Now, I do understand that people have their individual circumstances and sometimes it makes it impossible to do something, but more often that not, it's just being picky.
Field experience and job desire aside, I would say (especially in this economy) there are two BIG circumstances that would make moving difficult for anyone.

1- A mortgage
2- Spouse's STABLE job

Nothing like getting new lease to add to the bills when its hard enough to sell a home right now or a spouse giving up a bill paying job to move and try and find another one.
 

ineedatc

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I find it amazing when people who have no experience in a field get picky when they don't get what they want, then get mad when they don't get another shot. Take what you can get, then work on what you want.
:agree: The OP would be a complete idiot to turn anything down. With all the people on here who turned facilities down in the past not getting a second look? JAX? I'd be there. Their ATSAT score is not that great to be demanding.
 

CL4TKoff

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Really sorry to hear bro.
Tommy isn't a typical OTS, if you check his posts, he was in the Navy. He applied to a PUBNAT, but obviously if he was selected for a state like Florida, the Navy had a lot to do with it, as there were almost none actual OTS (except 1) that even got Florida.

Tommy, at the PEPC, one of the escorts that is a retired ATC working at the South Reg office said this is the last time for a while that they are hiring for South Florida.
As we all may already know, Orlando is full of a sh**load of trainees, more trainees than they have CPCs to train 'em from some reports. Maybe the ATM at Orlando told the Regional office that they just cant accept all the trainees that were selected in Jan and they need some time to get their guys checked out before they can take more, so they decided to offer you JAX. Honestly bro, I'd try to get in touch with the Southern Regional office, and maybe see if they can try to work something out with another facility in FL.

If not, I'd try to crunch some #'s and figure out a way to make it work for JAX, for now, and then later on, once your CPC, transfer to MCO, or where ever you'd like to go.
 

noid

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Well, him being in the Navy definitely makes him better than most!!:cross::puff:

You could always try to talk to HR about going somewhere else like PBI or FPR, but it probably won't fly.

Either way, I'd still try to make it work in JAX. It's not a bad up/down and training is fairly good, or at least it was.
 

CL4TKoff

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Yeah bro, definitely try to make it work. It prob wouldn't take too long to get checked out, and that way you're already a Controller, keep in mind facilities are filling up quick with trainees and the longer you wait, the bigger the chance you take with not getting selected at all. If you want to be in FL, take it and later on, try to move around, I don't think its impossible to change facilities in your own region. When you are a CPC, I'm sure the facilities wouldn't mind having a CPC come in rather than a new guy and even if not, you'll have a CTO from JAX to play with.
Think this completely through, the wrong decision could potentially ruin your career as an ATC forever.
 

Tommy10

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My situation is this:
My wife has a great job in Cocoa Beach and we have a 2.5 yr old son. With the economy the way it is, I can't imagine that she would be able to find anything comparable. I am pissed off that they switched me like that. I am going to call someone at the MCO Tower tomorrow and maybe it will help, maybe it won't. The TOL states MCO and does not say "subject to change". The FAA jerks us all around enough as it is and won't stop even when someone has been offered a TOL. Would a call to a local state rep. help any ya think? I am desperate right now!
 

noid

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The only thing I can think of them saying is that it was a tentative offer, meaning things can change. It does suck, but it's just like the military, their needs first.

I would talk to your wife and see if she can look into a transfer or at least look to see if there are comparable jobs in the Jax area. If you truly want this job, don't count it out yet. At least look into any and all options you may have. It might not be what you want, but you have to look at the big picture.

Best of luck to ya.
 

geardown

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A friend of mine who has been controlling in the FAA for about 2 years now is trying to get a hardship transfer. He joined the union and said that they would fight his battle for him.
 

gourgi18

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I wonder if it could have something to do with the last committee hearing where that one congressman was talking about MCO and how only 1 out of 11 had more than a year experience when he visited. You would think it would be the other way around, but if someone decided to poke around and the tower says they need time to train the people already there...who knows. I'm hoping for a happy ending for you.

I'm going to a place too where someone on the internet said they were tripping over trainees...paranoid about the other shoe dropping myself.