Civilian Save Pay

LyraM45

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I know this has been talked about on here a few times, but mostly in regards to DOD/Military save pay. Anybody have any info on civilian save pay? I'm currently coming in from a job with the Dept. Of Commerce. Need to start looking at numbers and doing some adjusting if the save pay thing doesn't work out. I've heard bits and bobs from yes they do still, to yes they used to, yes but only for military/dod, and then who knows. If anybody has any experience with it recently going to the academy, would appreciate any info!! Thanks!
 

Bravo Delta

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So I am currently a DOD Air Traffic Controller and I had the same question, so I called Hr and they said that during the academy i go to a FG-1, the equivilent to a GS-1, but i would be a step 10. Which is a huge pay loss, but apon completing the academy I would return to my DOD pay. IDK when it changed because i had to buddies that did the academy last year that were DOD before and kept their pay, but that is what HR is saying now! I hope it is wrong though, and 50 percent pay cut would be super tough on my family.

Hope that helps!
 
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Bravo Delta

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BTW you might want to call HR tomorrow with your particular situation, because I'm not sure if i save pay because I'm a 2152 or because of my ferderal employement!
 

LyraM45

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Yeah, I am going to call tomorrow and ask. I want to get it right before I sign the TOL that has the $22,560 on it.
 

Bravo Delta

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Yeah the tol doesn't really matter. Just lets them start the pre-employement process. The FOL is what matters and actually generating your new sf50. You can go ahead and get the process started by sending all that stuff back, NBD.
 

LyraM45

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Perfect! Thanks for the input-- I'll def fax everything over tonight so they have it fresh in their hands tomorrow morn!
 

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The bid you're hired on is irrelevant. If you're a current federal employee, you save pay. Don't let them tell you otherwise. Of course I'm speaking for 2152 transfers. I think that's all the contract (red book) covers.
 

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It doesn't matter if you're atc or not. A friend of mine was hired who was in the dod doing non atc stuff. His save pay worked just like mine. I believe it's a title 5 thing covering all federal employees. I'm really not sure how they can take it from you at the academy. I'm guessing because when you sign the fol to go the academy I think they put you on some other status that isn't permanent so you're easier to "let go".
 

LyraM45

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The bid you're hired on is irrelevant. If you're a current federal employee, you save pay. Don't let them tell you otherwise. Of course I'm speaking for 2152 transfers. I think that's all the contract (red book) covers.

Yeah, that is why I was kind of asking about civilian non dod/military/prior atc government jobs with regards to the save pay. Sounds like those groups tend to get it. I've heard of any government employee getting it in the past, but some rumblings in the last year that it's changed and now you only get it the day your graduate the academy. I can see the whole being on temp status thing and it being easier to get rid of you, but save pay should have nothing to do with that.

I'm a GS12 now. Would be really great to keep that pay since while I am at the academy I am going to still be paying for my home and living expenses back in the super expensive Bay Area. Obviously I'll find a way to make it work if I have to, but after being told all these years that I would get save pay coming over, it would be really nice if it worked out!
 

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Yeah, that is why I was kind of asking about civilian non dod/military/prior atc government jobs with regards to the save pay. Sounds like those groups tend to get it. I've heard of any government employee getting it in the past, but some rumblings in the last year that it's changed and now you only get it the day your graduate the academy. I can see the whole being on temp status thing and it being easier to get rid of you, but save pay should have nothing to do with that.

I'm a GS12 now. Would be really great to keep that pay since while I am at the academy I am going to still be paying my home and living expenses back in the super expensive Bay Area. Obviously I'll find a way to make it work if I have to, but after being told all these years that I would get save pay coming over, it would be really nice if it worked out!
Same situation, that's why I called Cindy, my hr poc, she even told me that she wasn't exactly sure and put me on hold for like 15 mins so she could ask their "finance" person.

I hope it's not true though!
 

LyraM45

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Same situation, that's why I called Cindy, my hr poc, she even told me that she wasn't exactly sure and put me on hold for like 15 mins so she could ask their "finance" person.

I hope it's not true though!
If your HR POC is the same Cindy I have, then she is out on leave until the end of the month. At least that is what I got in an automated out of office email response from her. I am going to have to try my luck calling the career services number and hope I get somebody who knows a little about this situation.
 

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Article 108 of the CBA provides that:

New Hire/New Entrant/Reentrant Pay Setting

  1. A New Hire is an individual who has never been employed by the Agency as an Air Traffic Controller in the terminal/en route option in the ATO. A New Hire who is required to attend the FAA Academy shall have Basic Pay set at the Academy Graduate (AG) pay band effective the day after their graduation from the FAA Academy. If a New Hire is not required to attend the FAA Academy, Basic Pay shall be set at the AG pay band upon the effective date of their appointment to their facility of record and receive further increases in accordance with Section 5.
  2. A New Entrant is a federal employee who has never been employed by the Agency as an Air Traffic Control Specialist in the terminal/en route option. A New Entrant, whether or not he/she is required to attend the FAA Academy, will retain their current Federal Pay up to the maximum of the Developmental-3 pay band (career level G) and receive further increases in accordance with Section 5.
  3. For a Military or DOD Civilian controller with fifty-two (52) consecutive weeks experience as a certified air traffic controller that completes training at the Academy (if required) and reports to their assigned facility, pay will be set at the minimum of the lowest developmental level pay band for the assigned ATC facility.
  4. When any employee meets more than one of the criteria in this Section, the employee’s pay will be initially set using the criteria that provides the employee with the highest pay.

Don't waste time arguing with HR. Get through the Academy and grieve it once you reach your facility.
 

LyraM45

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Article 108 of the CBA provides that:

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Don't waste time arguing with HR. Get through the Academy and grieve it once you reach your facility.



This is absolutely what I was looking for! Something clear in black and white. Thanks a bunch for posting this!!