Conditional Security Clearance Denied

daspence742

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-Crossposting from .65 since i think there might be more traffic here and this is driving me crazy...

So I found out this afternoon that my conditional security clearance was denied. To say i'm discouraged is putting it lightly, i'm taking it pretty hard and i'm hoping someone can provide color on what the "full investigation" entails, and my chances at this point.


Security asked me for two statements from my past regarding

1. A DUI i received in college 5 years ago.
2. Termination from a prior employer.

I gathered as many supporting documents as i could and issued two page statements on both of these incidents. I contacted my security POC today to ensure she had received all 13 attachments i'd provided, and she let me know I was not being granted a conditional clearance, and to expect the full investigative process to take "9-12" months.

The reason for my denial was due to the termination. My prior employer did not and will not provide a termination letter, and i took it upon myself to provide the details. I won't go into defending myself here, i'll just say that i do feel i was unjustly terminated without prior warning. My stated reasons for being let go were "playing chess during work hours" and "Missing a day of training". These are the reasons i listed on my statement. I was told that this showed bad judgment, and that i could not be recommended for a conditional clearance.

So, it is what it is. I'm a little surprised that it's not the DUI, and rather my termination that's leaving me out here. I'm currently a Senior financial analyst for a well known respected firm, my ability to acquire and maintain jobs with high levels of responsibility i wouldn't think would be in question. Regardless, my question that is really weighing on me is this,

Am I substantially more unlikely to obtain a clearance now? It's hard for me to equate how playing chess at work would make me a risk to national security. I understand the point about bad judgment of playing games while working, I do not understand why that would make me unable to obtain a clearance to train for a job i've already been vetted for.

Are my chances slim to none at this point?
 

32andBelow

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Not sure about the security clearance, but you may have a hard time getting your medical with that DUI.
 

daspence742

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I talked to the local AME and he said it likely wouldn't be a concern due to how long ago it occured. But I agree, that was much more of a worry than this? I'm a little confused. I could understand a denial for DUI, this is a little perplexing though.
 

sizziano

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I'm in OKC right now after I was fired as an RPO from the academy about 3 years ago lol. I honestly don't think this will be an issue. I was just asked to provide more details on the circumstances of my termination.
 

Red13

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My conditional security clearance was denied back in 2016 because I was honest about having used marijuana within the last two years. I had to write a statement about it and I was just honest and said that I had grown out of it and it wasn’t something I was interested in anymore.

I think that any time you have something in your background that you either share voluntarily or that they find out that could be seen as a liability, they want to do a little more digging before they give you the green light. I did my onboarding in February 2016 and finally cleared in October 2016, so yes it does take a long time but if you have shown that you understand your mistake and that you’ve changed, you should be fine. Good luck!
 

daspence742

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Thanks for your reply. I don't mind waiting at all, I just want to give myself the best shot at getting in, timeline doesn't matter to me. Can't change my past, but i'm pretty analytical by nature and just trying to decide the odds on my chances with a "checkered" background.

I'll update with what happens either way. Really hope I see you guys at a center one of these days soon.
 

jayrod

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-Crossposting from .65 since i think there might be more traffic here and this is driving me crazy...

So I found out this afternoon that my conditional security clearance was denied. To say i'm discouraged is putting it lightly, i'm taking it pretty hard and i'm hoping someone can provide color on what the "full investigation" entails, and my chances at this point.


Security asked me for two statements from my past regarding

1. A DUI i received in college 5 years ago.
2. Termination from a prior employer.

I gathered as many supporting documents as i could and issued two page statements on both of these incidents. I contacted my security POC today to ensure she had received all 13 attachments i'd provided, and she let me know I was not being granted a conditional clearance, and to expect the full investigative process to take "9-12" months.

The reason for my denial was due to the termination. My prior employer did not and will not provide a termination letter, and i took it upon myself to provide the details. I won't go into defending myself here, i'll just say that i do feel i was unjustly terminated without prior warning. My stated reasons for being let go were "playing chess during work hours" and "Missing a day of training". These are the reasons i listed on my statement. I was told that this showed bad judgment, and that i could not be recommended for a conditional clearance.

So, it is what it is. I'm a little surprised that it's not the DUI, and rather my termination that's leaving me out here. I'm currently a Senior financial analyst for a well known respected firm, my ability to acquire and maintain jobs with high levels of responsibility i wouldn't think would be in question. Regardless, my question that is really weighing on me is this,

Am I substantially more unlikely to obtain a clearance now? It's hard for me to equate how playing chess at work would make me a risk to national security. I understand the point about bad judgment of playing games while working, I do not understand why that would make me unable to obtain a clearance to train for a job i've already been vetted for.

Are my chances slim to none at this point?

when did you start your background check process?

im wondering, if I haven't heard back from my security POC... does that mean I'm in the clear? Lol.
 

archer

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when did you start your background check process?

im wondering, if I haven't heard back from my security POC... does that mean I'm in the clear? Lol.

You are probably fine. In most cases, you wont hear anything from your security POC after you send in everything. For me when I was going through the CIL process I sent in all my security stuff early August 2017 and heard nothing. I then emailed my HR rep for a status update in mid October 2017 and in her reply she mentioned that she received my conditional security clearance.