Current FAA TOL Holder Joining National Guard

blank18

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Hey,

I already am a TOL holder for the FAA, have been for a while and I just found out from HR rep and medical rep that I'm going to be holding it for a while longer due to reasons I'm not discussing on here.

I want to do national guard (not air traffic control) and FAA ATC at the same time during my career.

I know normal jobs have to legally allow you do your national guard duty and have your job still waiting for you when you get back. Is the FAA ATC the same way?

What if I am in the Academy, I would have 2 weekends (might have to take off Friday/Monday of class to make it home in time) during my academy time that I would have to come back to Ohio for guard duty? What if it so happens I am in the academy and I have my one week of the year guard duty during that time? Lastly, how would basic training/job training or deployments affect me if I am already at the academy or already working at my FAA facility?

Thank you!
 

lowapproach

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By law, the FAA has to work with you. Just use common sense and try to give the FAA notice when you'll have to go, while trying to schedule your Guard commitment for periods when it won't unduly interfere with your training.
 

robin0c5

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You'd discuss that with your unit. You can do your drills before you leave or after you come back in addition to what you'd normally have that month. You help out with paperwork or whatever they want you to do. You might be able to drill with a unit in Oklahoma. I'd suggest getting your training out of the way during the extended wait period. What MOS are you trying to apply for? I'm from Ohio and can give you some pointers.

Edit: Your commander can wave your requirement for 2 weeks of annual training, especially if you've already done 2 or more weeks straight of active training that year. Keep in mind if you're on hold for drug or psychological issues then the military isn't for you.
 
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nhstadt

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What Robin said. Same advice I'd give, yes the FAA has to work with you, but having your unit work around it would be much less of a headache, and by far the better route. And my guess on the 10,000 dollar question is DUI.
 

mbalunda

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You most likely won't be able to leave the Academy. There's almost no way to miss any time while you're at the Academy. If you had to miss a full week, they'd likely just take you out of class and you'd have to return to OKC at a later date and compete the full training program again. Once you get to your facility you'll have more luck getting out of work.
 

blank18

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Thanks for the input. As far as the chosen MOS, our state has a lot of intelligence positions. There are several enlisted positions that sound very interesting such as aviation operations specialists, but I really want to be an officer, which has more limited jobs such as intelligence and a remote pilot operator I might try for.

As far as the delay, its the MMPII - passed it the first time, it expired and recently re-took it - and for some reason failed it. So it will cost me several months just to get cleared again for that, even more time if I lose my spot in the waiting line - not a happy camper at all after FAA jerking my family and keeping us in the dark since Aug 2010...
 

Ice_cold656

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Thanks for the input. As far as the chosen MOS, our state has a lot of intelligence positions. There are several enlisted positions that sound very interesting such as aviation operations specialists, but I really want to be an officer, which has more limited jobs such as intelligence and a remote pilot operator I might try for.

As far as the delay, its the MMPII - passed it the first time, it expired and recently re-took it - and for some reason failed it. So it will cost me several months just to get cleared again for that, even more time if I lose my spot in the waiting line - not a happy camper at all after FAA jerking my family and keeping us in the dark since Aug 2010...
That sucks man. Sorry to hear that.
 

john

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I know I'm a little late coming into this but, I know the FAA gives you in addition to your normal leave time earned an extra 30 days/year (I think, it may be more) "military leave" this accounts for your 2 week AT and 2 days of drill /month, it comes a little short of what you will actually have to take off but you can usually work around your FAA schedule to have drills off anyway and not have to take leave for drill weekends. There are 2 FAA controllers in my guard unit that do this every month. Also as far as training, I would suggest that you get it out of the way asap so as not to interfere with the Academy or training time at your facility. If you are still in training when the FAA is finally ready for you they will work with you. I am deployed right now and got my call about a week ago for OKC. HR was really good about getting me a class date for after my tour is over. Deployments are inevitable right now and the FAA does have to let you go. The worst part is if you are gone for more than 120 days (which unless you go navy you will probably never see a deployment shorter than 6 months) you have to go back through your facility's training program. Granted it shouldn't take as long and you don't lose your pay level but it something that you have to do. Also while deployed under USERRA if you will make less money than you would at home the FAA has to come up with the difference. As well if you are called up for federal or state emergencies (hurricanes, wildfires, floods, riots, ect.) you will not be charged leave days from the FAA, this follows the same line as deployments. If you do decide to join just make sure to let HR know and once you get to your facility give them as much notice as possible for drills and AT periods so they can work with you instead of against you. Most units publish an annual drill schedule so you will know months in advance of when you have to be there.
Just for your planning purposes. Basic is at least 10 weeks and AIT if you go aviation operations in about 7 weeks (one of the shortest AIT's too) so plan that accordingly.
 

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I know I'm a little late coming into this but, I know the FAA gives you in addition to your normal leave time earned an extra 30 days/year (I think, it may be more) "military leave" this accounts for your 2 week AT and 2 days of drill /month, it comes a little short of what you will actually have to take off but you can usually work around your FAA schedule to have drills off anyway and not have to take leave for drill weekends. .
You only get 120 hours of mil leave a year. (15 days) You can carry a maximum of 240 at a time. You are just given 120 hours on Oct 1st each year instead of accruing it throughout the year. Anything else you have to use your own annual leave.
 

john

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Thanks for straightening me out ColtsATC. I was unsure. I haven't started with the FAA yet going to OKC in March so I am sure I will be much more informed on that after I get to my facility.
 

spider277

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Thread revival:

I am currently in the ANG and was just offered a TOL under VRA on the spot hiring. The tricky part is that I am slotted to go to officer school and flight school with my guard unit which is in total at a minimum 4 different schools totaling close to 2 years. Looking at the current USERRA Laws it appears that the FAA has to hold my position for up to a max of 5 years. Has anyone ever encountered this? I would like to get to the academy prior to starting my guard training but everything is up in the air right now.
 

spider277

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They do not have to hold your spot because you are not hired yet. You were merely given a tentative offer to a position.
Do you have any experience with this? or is this just your opinion? It looks like on your footer that you are still in the AF prob working at WRI where I was stationed for the last 5 years so I am just trying to understand where you expertise in this situation comes from.
 

NovemberEcho

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Nope, not McGuire nor ever was, currently on terminal leave. However, the of the matter is that you are not considered "hired" until you set foot in the Academy. Until that day you merely have an offer of employment. Offer's can be withdrawn at any time.
 

spider277

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Interesting I will have to call HR tomorrow, I was hoping to get some insight from someone who is "hired" and might have seen a similar situation through out their years with the FAA.
 

mgcb

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I asked a similar question with the department of labor very recently and the guy who interprets userra said they have to honor a tentative offer. There was a precedent set in a federal law enforcement situation where the applicant "aged out" while performing military service and was allowed to continue with the onboarding process at the completion of his military service. I would definitely call the department of labor and ask them personally. Pm me if you want the specific contact info of the DOL guy I talked to.
 

Alnando215

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http://www.dol.gov/vets/programs/userra/USERRA_Poster.pdf

Notice they cannot deny you "initial employment"
This is great information! I spend the entire day asking around and reading multiple forums. Im planning.. and hoping to apply within a few years in active duty. hopefully Ill be able to apply for an experience bid or any other bid that I can apply for,get a TOL and once I complete my active duty service, jump into the FAA. I was worried because Ill be exactly 31. I know nothing is guaranteed but is something to go for.