Indianapolis ARTCC - ZID

Pants81

Trusted Member
Jun 16, 2008
428
1
18
Indiana
All I know is that ZID is going through a massive training overhaul with new systems....other than that what other important news is going on at this facility? What is the training and work schedule look like for the future? Any information on new equipment and/or procedures? Thank you for the input.
 

Rosstafari

Daaaang.
Aug 17, 2008
1,149
21
38
39
/X
Re: What about Indianapolis ARTCC (ZID)?

HonuPineapple's about to start training for ZID.
 

ColtsATC

Trusted Contributor
Aug 27, 2008
590
14
18
Re: What about Indianapolis ARTCC (ZID)?

No, he's about to start working at ZID, not training lol. He'll get to draw some maps for a while lol
 

Pants81

Trusted Member
Jun 16, 2008
428
1
18
Indiana
Re: What about Indianapolis ARTCC (ZID)?

She is on her way to OKC now, she should be here in Indy in a few months...

ColtsATC, you ready for the Colts this year? I am pumped...I know your a few miles outside of the states...Do you receive any info about ZID while your out there? I know you said your wife works as an RPO and I am sure you have a few buddies or Co workers you know working there...anything?
 

ImperialFleet

Rookie
May 28, 2009
41
0
6
Earth
Indianapolis ARTCC (ZID)?

Hello, first post here; lurking for well over a year now. Anyway, I have received a tentative offer letter (TOL) for ZID En Route (ARTCC?) and have a few questions that nobody in OKC has been able to answer with any clarity (although to their credit they certainly have tried).

Long story short, I am changing careers mostly due to boredom and am making a significant financial sacrifice to change careers. I am alright with this. However, I am trying to plan my finances for the next couple years of my life (and my family) and am trying to find out what a CPC in the En Route center @ ZID makes? I have 3 different, official 2009 FAA spreadsheets and none of them match up. Not to mention my TOL contains yet a 4th set of numbers. It is very frustrating and confusing.

So, that said, can anyone help me with the following questions? I know over time these answers may become invalid, please just answer as though we're talking about today.

  1. Is ZID a level 12 facility?
  2. What "Pay Band" is a new fully qualified CPC at ZID En Route? Has this changed recently, or is it expected to?

These are my sources thus far:

Any guidance on these questions is much appreciated! I am highly interested in this position, but am reluctant to accept an offer in which I cannot get answers to questions that should be easy to answer. Even if you don't have the answer a name and phone number of someone who would know would be awesome.

Thanks for reading.
 

ColtsATC

Trusted Contributor
Aug 27, 2008
590
14
18
Re: What about Indianapolis ARTCC (ZID)?

The ATSPP page is the correct one. It has a tab for IND. That's the payscale with locality included. ZID is a level 12. CPC at ZID starts at $90k. However, when you first get to ZID, you are making $38k...and with the backlog they are going to have in training...you will probably be making that for awhile. I've been there since December and they haven't started anyone's actual training other than maps that got there after me (including me)
HOWEVER.....

I wouldn't worry about any of that. They are coming out with a new payscale on Thursday that will take effect later this year/beginning of next year.

Pants- According to everyone I talk to, the new trainees just sit upstairs everyday like I did before i left. You get stuff to study (LOA's, maps, frequencies, etc)...but you have months and months to study right now with no end in sight....so you just find way to kill time without getting in trouble and learn a little bit each day.

And hell ya i'm ready for the Colts to start playing! I got tix to the Colts/Pats game this year. Hellz yea!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

ImperialFleet

Rookie
May 28, 2009
41
0
6
Earth
Re: What about Indianapolis ARTCC (ZID)?

According to everyone I talk to, the new trainees just sit upstairs everyday like I did before i left. You get stuff to study (LOA's, maps, frequencies, etc)...but you have months and months to study right now with no end in sight....so you just find way to kill time without getting in trouble and learn a little bit each day.
Thanks for the information. Wow, I had no idea about the training situation. Sounds depressing. No end in sight? Is there more info on that around here?
 

ColtsATC

Trusted Contributor
Aug 27, 2008
590
14
18
Re: What about Indianapolis ARTCC (ZID)?

Not from anyone besides me lol. It's because of the ERAM system upgrade...which keeps getting delayed...which means we keep getting delayed. It sucks, but I'm in the career field and getting paid. Not a lot at the moment, but eventually it will be over with and this will be a distant memory.

Kind of like this deployment...it sucks but it did a lot of good financially and once it's over with i'll be glad I did it....it just sucks balls right now
 

ImperialFleet

Rookie
May 28, 2009
41
0
6
Earth
Re: What about Indianapolis ARTCC (ZID)?

"Quickly" is a highly subjective term. I applied for a "PUBNAT6" posting that closed in July 2008 and have turned every stage around as fast as I can and I am just to the point of my background check and psych eval right now. I'm on for headed to OKC, then back to Indy sometime in FY2010. But I'm new. Not sure if you're already in ATC? There have been other people get through this in about 1/2 the time I have and I think that had something to do with how badly they were needed at their location.
 
Aug 3, 2009
55
0
6
Re: What about Indianapolis ARTCC (ZID)?

"Quickly" is a highly subjective term. I applied for a "PUBNAT6" posting that closed in July 2008 and have turned every stage around as fast as I can and I am just to the point of my background check and psych eval right now. I'm on for headed to OKC, then back to Indy sometime in FY2010. But I'm new. Not sure if you're already in ATC? There have been other people get through this in about 1/2 the time I have and I think that had something to do with how badly they were needed at their location.
Yeah, I know it won't be "quick", so to speak, but more like are they in high demand for people, or are they just pretty full? My husband is the one applying. He applied under PUBNAT 8 and VRA (he's prior military ATC). I was just curious what his chances were of him getting Indy or not. :)
 

Radium

Epic Member
Jan 14, 2009
1,988
8
38
Re: What about Indianapolis ARTCC (ZID)?

i think your hubby will shoot himself in the foot if he gets picked up pubnat other than VRA.... thats like a 100,000$ difference in the 1st two yrs.
 

ColtsATC

Trusted Contributor
Aug 27, 2008
590
14
18
Re: What about Indianapolis ARTCC (ZID)?

Ya, he'd lose out on a lot of money if he gets picked up PUBNAT instead of VRA. Especially since training at ZID is going slooooooooooooooooooooow
 
Aug 3, 2009
55
0
6
Re: What about Indianapolis ARTCC (ZID)?

Really?? What's the pay difference between PUBNAT and VRA? I know there's a difference at the academy, but after that?
 

Radium

Epic Member
Jan 14, 2009
1,988
8
38
Re: What about Indianapolis ARTCC (ZID)?

OK, and colts can correct me if I'm wrong, but here is a relative stab in the dark:
Pubnat gets no sign on bonus. VRA gets 20,000$.
Pubnat goes to the basics of ATC class... which is 1 month extra
Pubnat makes HALF of what a VRA makes... I believe its CLOSE to 9$ / 18$. So there you are looking at another 4kish cut in pay over the months you are in class.
THEN, Once @ facility, as a Pubnat, you hubby can expect AG pay, which is 37,000+ indy's 15% locality.
If he goes as a VRA, he will skip AG pay and go straight to D1 pay, which for Indy Center (lvl 12) is just shy of 49,000 + indy's 15% locality. (and OFC 15% on 49 is more than 15% of 37!).
So right there in ROUGH math, we are looking at a difference of 40ish THOUSAND $ in your first year on the job. But hey who needs money right?!
 

Shifteeeyes

Newcomer
Aug 30, 2009
1
0
1
Re: What about Indianapolis ARTCC (ZID)?

Hello (Off topic here I'm sorry) I'm a military ATCer origionally from Indy, currently stationed in northern California at Travis AFB, neatly sandwiched in between Oakland Center and NorCal TRACON. I'll be coming home for xmas late December and was looking for a contact number to take a small 1-3 person tour of Indy Center. Any help is appreciated.
Regards, Ian
 

Radium

Epic Member
Jan 14, 2009
1,988
8
38
Re: What about Indianapolis ARTCC (ZID)?

the center's number should be on here... just call and ask to get a tour... I toured it back in December... pretty interesting.
 

ColtsATC

Trusted Contributor
Aug 27, 2008
590
14
18
Re: What about Indianapolis ARTCC (ZID)?

OK, and colts can correct me if I'm wrong, but here is a relative stab in the dark:
Pubnat gets no sign on bonus. VRA gets 20,000$.
Pubnat goes to the basics of ATC class... which is 1 month extra
Pubnat makes HALF of what a VRA makes... I believe its CLOSE to 9$ / 18$. So there you are looking at another 4kish cut in pay over the months you are in class.
THEN, Once @ facility, as a Pubnat, you hubby can expect AG pay, which is 37,000+ indy's 15% locality.
If he goes as a VRA, he will skip AG pay and go straight to D1 pay, which for Indy Center (lvl 12) is just shy of 49,000 + indy's 15% locality. (and OFC 15% on 49 is more than 15% of 37!).
So right there in ROUGH math, we are looking at a difference of 40ish THOUSAND $ in your first year on the job. But hey who needs money right?!
Ya..that's close enough. I don't feel like running the numbers. Our locality this year is 14.51%. At the academy, VRA hires make the AG pay scale...which is a little over $18/hr. So the numbers are pretty accurate.