Less Than 52 Weeks Experience

NovemberEcho

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It's not wasting anyone's time but the applicants. Not meeting the experience requirement would be voided by the computer in this situation soon as he clicks "no" on the 52 weeks question. Unless he lies.
 

ajmezz

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It's pretty straight forward. Do you have 52 weeks experience post certification? If yes, apply. If no, you don't qualify. I've been mulling over applying towards the end of June if it's still open since I'll have my 52 weeks in the beginning of August and odds are I'll probably be at that mark by the time they get around to my app, but I don't want it biting me in the ass down the road that I initially lied. Just hoping they have another bid next winter so I'll have a shot before turning 31 next april.
 

lowapproach

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I think it's pretty straightforward.

SPECIALIZED EXPERIENCE: ALL APPLICANTS MUST POSSESS A MINIMUM OF 52 WEEKS OF AIR TRAFFIC CONTROL EXPERIENCE AFTER RECEIVING CERTIFICATION IN AN AIR TRAFFIC CONTROL TOWER OR RADAR ENVIRONMENT in a civilian or military air traffic control facility, which demonstrates possession of the knowledge, skills and abilities required to perform the level of work.
  • Applicants MUST submit copies of certifications prior to the closing date of the announcement. (The 52 weeks of certified experience cannot include any FAA Academy or military training time prior to certification, as this is not considered "live" air traffic)
  • Certified experience is defined as: In receipt of a qualifying Air Traffic certification/ATC facility rating (other than the examples listed below)
    • Examples of NON-QUALIFYING certified experience include:
      • a) Military Pre- or Post-Flight Planning/Following Experience
      • b) Tactical Air Party Specialist (TACP)
      • c) Air Operations (including Airborne Warning and Control System -AWACS)
      • d) Flight Data (FD)
      • e) Clearance Delivery (CD)
      • f) Ground Control (GC or GCA)
      • g) Forward Air Control (FAC)
      • h) Precision Approach/Surveillance Controller (PAR/ASR)
Unlike a lot of previous job announcements, this one's actually very specific about what counts for the appropriate experience. It's your application to submit, but I wouldn't expect to be hired unless you can show the FAA a gray CTO card or a pink card with a RAPC on it, dated 52 weeks before the day of submission.
 
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nfingers

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I think it's pretty straightforward.







Unlike a lot of previous job announcements, this one's actually very specific about what counts for the appropriate experience. It's your application to submit, but I wouldn't expect to be hired unless you can show the FAA a gray CTO card or a pink card with a RAPC on it, dated 52 weeks before the day of submission.


Not to toot my own horn or anything..... But im 99% positive im the reason for the whole 24 hours per traditional guard weekend.


To get back on topic, 52 weeks is arguable and it shouldnt be worded as that because they arent actually looking for 52 weeks. They're looking for 2080 hours of Air Traffic experience (52 weeks x 40 hours a week). Why do I know so much? Because I received my rating in 2012, the common man would say that 52 weeks would be that same month, a year later, so lets say August 2013. Im a traditional guardsman, unbeknowest to me... they werent looking for 52 weeks, they were looking for 2080 hours. With this all being said, I didnt supply documents of the specific additional AT/ST/PT days and additional days that I also accomplished. I would have had well over the time limit if they had been more specific on the bid as to what they were looking for. But low and behold they didnt. So essentially as a traditional guardsman you get 24 hours per month, and your 2 weeks in the summer. Unless you supplement it with additional documentation.

I found this out last year on the 52 week bid after being reviewed, reffered, and I believe once they were sending my TOL one of the higher ups looked at it and took it into deeper review. If anyone is curious I missed it by less than 30 hours(due to some additional orders and what not). Which was cool.
 

HollyVVood

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Not to toot my own horn or anything..... But im 99% positive im the reason for the whole 24 hours per traditional guard weekend.


To get back on topic, 52 weeks is arguable and it shouldnt be worded as that because they arent actually looking for 52 weeks. They're looking for 2080 hours of Air Traffic experience (52 weeks x 40 hours a week). Why do I know so much? Because I received my rating in 2012, the common man would say that 52 weeks would be that same month, a year later, so lets say August 2013. Im a traditional guardsman, unbeknowest to me... they werent looking for 52 weeks, they were looking for 2080 hours. With this all being said, I didnt supply documents of the specific additional AT/ST/PT days and additional days that I also accomplished. I would have had well over the time limit if they had been more specific on the bid as to what they were looking for. But low and behold they didnt. So essentially as a traditional guardsman you get 24 hours per month, and your 2 weeks in the summer. Unless you supplement it with additional documentation.

I found this out last year on the 52 week bid after being reviewed, reffered, and I believe once they were sending my TOL one of the higher ups looked at it and took it into deeper review. If anyone is curious I missed it by less than 30 hours(due to some additional orders and what not). Which was cool.
Damn dude that's rough.
 

nfingers

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Damn dude that's rough.
Amen, but, I did get picked up for the General bid last year, so im currently in the process of doing the drug screening, mmpi, physical, etc. Great part about it is, if I make it through on this bid (52 week experience one) then I can use all the tests from the general one and still do direct facility and what not. Just shitty.
 

HollyVVood

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Amen, but, I did get picked up for the General bid last year, so im currently in the process of doing the drug screening, mmpi, physical, etc. Great part about it is, if I make it through on this bid (52 week experience one) then I can use all the tests from the general one and still do direct facility and what not. Just shitty.
I'm in the same boat. Go check out the latest post on the prior exp thread. I may have some trouble proving my experience but if all else fails I now have an April class date for OKC.