I watched someone wash out of a level 5 up/down, and I sincerely believe that they didn't make it due to lack of consistent traffic and training opportunities (the facility was extremely seasonal).
1. I see your point. If you start out at a center and wash... you may end up at a level 8 tower even though you haven't proved shit.
2. Was it radar you washed on? Because the up/down towers are slower in the tower compared to stand alone towers of the same level. You might be better off in a 5.
3. Me personally, if i wash and they give me a list... I am going to the lowest level and slowest facility regardless of where it is....only to save my career...and even if it was a 4.
the biggest loss for me besides the career stagnation is going to be loosing my salary. I was able to get to my level seven on the 2012 contractual raise so I was able to lock in CPC pay. Which was good since with out it I was taking a pay cut to come here(CIP and locality at last tower) . With I was breaking even. I was one of the academy classes that got to pay my way through OKC(no per diem) and then white book and level five pay for the first four years. Needless to say my TSP is not looking very good right now.It sucks man but its probably the fairest way. You didn't make it at a 7, now you think the FAA should give you a try at another 6 or 7 and possibly waste another year of you not working. If those other facilities are so gung ho on picking you up, then go to a 5, check out in like a few months and ERR to one of those places.
Plus if you would have started a a 7-12 as your first spot then you probably wouldn't have made it and could possibly have been fired. So be lucky with what you've got.
As a CPC-IT at least you should keep it or at least go inside the new facilities band. We had a guy ERR out of here before they could wash him and he actually got a raise going back to a higher locality with CIPIf you get picked up on a BID or ERR prior to becoming a training failure, do you keep the half raise you received or do you go back to your old pay?
Also, what if you err as a developmental (d2 at level 11 To a 5)...the red book says your pay falls into the lowest developmental band. When you make CPC do you go to the bottom of cpc band or keep your old d2 pay?Ive been told if your not a training failure and you get picked upon a bid you won't loose pay.
Anyone have any experience with this?
Sups can't terminate training, only suspend.thats the key... you were never unsuccessful until your sup terminates your training. you are just looking for a transfer.
BUT I have a feeling this is all going away soon. With the changes in ERR's and District Managers on the lookout for people trying to bid out of training failure I think they are catching on to people trying to save there pay.
What NEST board were you on? I washed out of center on my first two d sides as well, with prior military and contract cto's. I was was told I was on the 10/28/15 NEST board but I'm starting to wonder why I haven't heard anything yet and it seems for other people it isn't taking as long.I recently got my results from NEST. I have 4 cto's. 2 military and 2 working for the DoD, for a total of 13 years experience. I applied to the FAA on a terminal bid and was selected for NCT, but was later changed to ZOA. I washed out on my first D-side and went to the NEST. They decided to retain me at lvl 5 or below type 1 towers. Apparently they do not consider any experience that is not FAA. The worst part is that I requested TX or OH and was offered SCK, traverse city, or crystal MN.
My paperwork was submitted mid November. Got the results dec 15thWhat NEST board were you on? I washed out of center on my first two d sides as well, with prior military and contract cto's. I was was told I was on the 10/28/15 NEST board but I'm starting to wonder why I haven't heard anything yet and it seems for other people it isn't taking as long.