New Common Principles not 2 months anymore

"Y"-Code

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Can someone confirm the rumors that common Principles will now be mostly computer based with minimal time in OKC?

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BigHorse

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I heard something like that and they are getting rid of a few subjects like transmission lines.
 

SMS

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Yes. Something like two weeks in OKC and the rest will be correspondence courses.
 

"Y"-Code

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Yes. Something like two weeks in OKC and the rest will be correspondence courses.
I think it has its benefits and costs. On one hand, being away from family for 2 months sucks, but I went home after the second month for 25 hours just to see my wife and kids then went back for the 2nd month. On the other hand, doing math and transmission lines and antenna radiation patterns live in person was very valuable to me as Navy Avionics did not teach those subjects to us and the math portion was a good refresher.

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Scotter

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So the MMAC has always been changing in just my short 9yrs in the Agency. When I came in it was go to your facility for a few weeks, then go to OKC for New Hire classes. Then they changed it to go directly to OKC for 2 months and then your facility. Then it was go to the facility and do courses and go. Then back to new hire class for a couple months, now back courses. This too will change. Every new director of training has a better idea than the last to get the bullet on his or resume to get the next detail or K or L band job. The more things change, the more they go right back to the way they used to do it. There is NO consisentancy in the FAA, from the SSC levels, to the district, to the Servce area, to the nation.

Despite all that cynicism , I do love my job....

Scotter
 

RebelRobert

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New Common Principles (3 Modules):

Math (eLMS online)

Electronics (eLMS online)

ILT Electronics Troubleshooting (Instructor Led Training)

The initial training curriculum for newly hired ATSSs, known as Common Principles, was revised from a nine-week instructor-led training (ILT) course at the Mike Monroney Aeronautical Center (MMAC) to increase training throughput and reduce travel related expenses while maintaining continuity of knowledge transfer. The revised course is now structured as a combination of two distance learning eLMS courses followed by a two-and-a-half-week ILT course at the FAA Academy. The two eLMS courses are Mathematics Refresher and Fundamentals of Electronics and are prerequisites for the Electronics Troubleshooting ILT portion taught at the Academy.

In recent years, the FAA’s Mathematics Refresher course has been taught as a part of the current Common Principles course. As noted above, the FAA’s Common Principles course changed from a nine-week instructor led training (ILT) course at the MMAC, to a two-and-a-half-week course at the FAA Academy. Mathematics content that was previously taught as ILT training is now being delivered to technicians locally at their home facilities via distance learning through eLMS. The math refresher portion of the ATSS new hire training has traditionally had a high failure rate that was mitigated by instructor tutoring assistance, which helped struggling students regain the math skills required to pass the course.


Successful completion of the Mathematics Refresher distance learning component is a prerequisite to the follow on Electronics distance learning course, and the ILT Electronics Troubleshooting course. Failures in the first component, Mathematics Refresher, will present a significant bottleneck of student throughput and potentially cause the Agency to not meet its staffing targets to maintain safe air traffic operations.


The distance-learning mathematics portion of the revised Common Principles curriculum began in March 2019.

The Electronics and ILT Electronics Troubleshooting portions have been under development and will be available for ATSS completion in July 2019.
 

"Y"-Code

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New Common Principles (3 Modules):

Math (eLMS online)

Electronics (eLMS online)

ILT Electronics Troubleshooting (Instructor Led Training)

The initial training curriculum for newly hired ATSSs, known as Common Principles, was revised from a nine-week instructor-led training (ILT) course at the Mike Monroney Aeronautical Center (MMAC) to increase training throughput and reduce travel related expenses while maintaining continuity of knowledge transfer. The revised course is now structured as a combination of two distance learning eLMS courses followed by a two-and-a-half-week ILT course at the FAA Academy. The two eLMS courses are Mathematics Refresher and Fundamentals of Electronics and are prerequisites for the Electronics Troubleshooting ILT portion taught at the Academy.

In recent years, the FAA’s Mathematics Refresher course has been taught as a part of the current Common Principles course. As noted above, the FAA’s Common Principles course changed from a nine-week instructor led training (ILT) course at the MMAC, to a two-and-a-half-week course at the FAA Academy. Mathematics content that was previously taught as ILT training is now being delivered to technicians locally at their home facilities via distance learning through eLMS. The math refresher portion of the ATSS new hire training has traditionally had a high failure rate that was mitigated by instructor tutoring assistance, which helped struggling students regain the math skills required to pass the course.


Successful completion of the Mathematics Refresher distance learning component is a prerequisite to the follow on Electronics distance learning course, and the ILT Electronics Troubleshooting course. Failures in the first component, Mathematics Refresher, will present a significant bottleneck of student throughput and potentially cause the Agency to not meet its staffing targets to maintain safe air traffic operations.


The distance-learning mathematics portion of the revised Common Principles curriculum began in March 2019.

The Electronics and ILT Electronics Troubleshooting portions have been under development and will be available for ATSS completion in July 2019.
Thanks for sharing!

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"Y"-Code

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New Common Principles (3 Modules):

Math (eLMS online)

Electronics (eLMS online)

ILT Electronics Troubleshooting (Instructor Led Training)

The initial training curriculum for newly hired ATSSs, known as Common Principles, was revised from a nine-week instructor-led training (ILT) course at the Mike Monroney Aeronautical Center (MMAC) to increase training throughput and reduce travel related expenses while maintaining continuity of knowledge transfer. The revised course is now structured as a combination of two distance learning eLMS courses followed by a two-and-a-half-week ILT course at the FAA Academy. The two eLMS courses are Mathematics Refresher and Fundamentals of Electronics and are prerequisites for the Electronics Troubleshooting ILT portion taught at the Academy.

In recent years, the FAA’s Mathematics Refresher course has been taught as a part of the current Common Principles course. As noted above, the FAA’s Common Principles course changed from a nine-week instructor led training (ILT) course at the MMAC, to a two-and-a-half-week course at the FAA Academy. Mathematics content that was previously taught as ILT training is now being delivered to technicians locally at their home facilities via distance learning through eLMS. The math refresher portion of the ATSS new hire training has traditionally had a high failure rate that was mitigated by instructor tutoring assistance, which helped struggling students regain the math skills required to pass the course.


Successful completion of the Mathematics Refresher distance learning component is a prerequisite to the follow on Electronics distance learning course, and the ILT Electronics Troubleshooting course. Failures in the first component, Mathematics Refresher, will present a significant bottleneck of student throughput and potentially cause the Agency to not meet its staffing targets to maintain safe air traffic operations.


The distance-learning mathematics portion of the revised Common Principles curriculum began in March 2019.

The Electronics and ILT Electronics Troubleshooting portions have been under development and will be available for ATSS completion in July 2019.
Math refresher from an instructor that could show you step by step and answer questions helped me out alot. I never learned transmission lines and antennas in the navy, it was good having an instructor. ELMS courses dont help me learn at all. Just control F to get it done.






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