New York TRACON - N90

nb2fd

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Any controllers on here from N90 that just started or just got certified. Got a couple of questions if thats aright. If so PM me. Thanks
 

noid

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Re: N90

One thing I would ask is training time. I had a friend that went up there. Training was horrible and they all quit. Some might have washed, but a good number quit and reapplied. Now they are all working somewhere else. The facility "was" undermanned big time, making training near impossible. Most just sat around or worked data all the time. Hopefully it's not like this now. This was in early-mid '07.

You being from NY helps because you are used to the cost of living and you know if you can make it on the pay they offer. A lot go up there because that is there only offer, not realizing the cost of living.
 

nb2fd

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Re: N90

I take everything as I challenge. I didnt accept an FOL for a level 12 facility to get training wheels and a bib. If this job was easy than im sure as hell we wouldnt be stuck in the employment crisis we are in now. I hope the training is better than 07' but if it isnt it isnt necessarily going to stop me. I appreciate what your saying but I think people take too much negative out of N90 which maybe deserved but if you cant take the level 12 hit than I guess you werent cut out for it to begin with
 

noid

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Easy killer, I didn't say you needed someone to hold your hand or that you wouldn't make it. I was just letting you know that training was backed up, so there was a lot of waiting. Which meant nobody was checking out, which equals no pay raises. Things may have changed, maybe not. I hope they have. Either way....best of luck.
 

SnowAviation

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Re: N90

I take everything as I challenge. I didnt accept an FOL for a level 12 facility to get training wheels and a bib. If this job was easy than im sure as hell we wouldnt be stuck in the employment crisis we are in now. I hope the training is better than 07' but if it isnt it isnt necessarily going to stop me. I appreciate what your saying but I think people take too much negative out of N90 which maybe deserved but if you cant take the level 12 hit than I guess you werent cut out for it to begin with
Dude you have the right attitude. When you get there don't take no for an answer, step up wearing your headset and say "Train Me!" train with anyone who will train you. Don't act cocky, don't be argumentitive, don't make excuses, listen and learn. Some folks are content to sit around and work FD, don't be one of those people. The other CPC's and supes will notice you as a motivated individual and get you trained. When you train with different folks you will get trained differently, just go with it and you will be fine.

Kick ass and don't bother taking any names.

Kudos to your attitude.
 

noid

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Re: N90

No doubt, keep an upbeat, can't keep me down, hard-charging attitude. Just make sure to keep it in check. There's a fine line between motivated and arrogance. If training is still slow, and you rot on data, make the best of it. When everyone else is out taking breaks, ask to plug in to your next position. If you don't have one, just pick one. While on data, study when it's dead. The ones that play around and do nothing stick out. In the unfortunate event you struggle with a position, they'll remember how hard you were trying and they'll go to bat for ya.

A level 12 is no joke starting out, you're right. If you maintain a positive attitude plus your ability to take constructive criticism and learn from it, you'll do fine.
 

Bravko2k08

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N90

Hey, im currently in RTF training at the academy. I was hoping someone could give me an idea of what I should expect when I get to the tracon. I do ask that its somewhat current information, last I was informed no one's checked out in a few years and the percent of wash outs was high.
 

ROMA

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Re: N90

I took a tour of the TRACON this morning around 11 o'clock. I spoke to the manager for about 10-15 mins before going into the control room (i dont know if there's a tech name or a nick name but that's what i'm calling it for now). At the risk of sounding like a kid on christmas morning..... IT WAS F*%#@*G AWESOME!
As far as rumors are concerned, i was told that nobody has been certified (CPC) since 2006 and there is a 50% washout rate, and he estimated a 12-14 month "check out", i'm assuming he meant with each developmental stage? not sure... and that's straight from the horse's mouth. When i asked how severe the "washout" technically was he said, "it depends on how you do in the lab, if you show some ability but fail the facility PV-there is a good chance you'll be assigned to another facility (i'm assuming at a lower level?)... if you fail the lab, most likely you'll be terminated from employment with the FAA."
Anywho... after sitting with one of the controllers and listening in for we pretty much ended the tour. Everyone i came in contact with really friendly. Nobody had an attitude or an arrogant demeanor and everyone wanted to say hi to me. I thanked him for his time and he said if i have any questions feel free to call the facility.

SORRY IF THIS WAS A BIT LONG-WINDED! LOL
 

Bravko2k08

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Re: N90

Haha not at all. Thanks for the report although it only confirms what I've been hearing. Thanks for taking the time to post useful info tho.
 

ROMA

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Re: N90

Haha not at all. Thanks for the report although it only confirms what I've been hearing. Thanks for taking the time to post useful info tho.
Hey, gotta make a contribution to this awesome site and all of us who are looking for the information that the ever-loving FAA either fails or refuses to volunteer!
 

Cirrus12

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Re: N90

I took a tour of the TRACON this morning around 11 o'clock. I spoke to the manager for about 10-15 mins before going into the control room (i dont know if there's a tech name or a nick name but that's what i'm calling it for now). At the risk of sounding like a kid on christmas morning..... IT WAS F*%#@*G AWESOME!
As far as rumors are concerned, i was told that nobody has been certified (CPC) since 2006 and there is a 50% washout rate, and he estimated a 12-14 month "check out", i'm assuming he meant with each developmental stage? not sure... and that's straight from the horse's mouth. When i asked how severe the "washout" technically was he said, "it depends on how you do in the lab, if you show some ability but fail the facility PV-there is a good chance you'll be assigned to another facility (i'm assuming at a lower level?)... if you fail the lab, most likely you'll be terminated from employment with the FAA."
Anywho... after sitting with one of the controllers and listening in for we pretty much ended the tour. Everyone i came in contact with really friendly. Nobody had an attitude or an arrogant demeanor and everyone wanted to say hi to me. I thanked him for his time and he said if i have any questions feel free to call the facility.

SORRY IF THIS WAS A BIT LONG-WINDED! LOL
When you called to set up the tour, did you just ask for the manager on duty and said "Hi, I'd like to come in for a tour."?
 

ROMA

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actually i had an inside route... a friend of a friend of a friend gave me me the cell phone number of one of the supervisors, so when i called him to intro myself he said if i have any questions in the future or if i wanna set up a tour to give him a call. so i said "hey i'd love to tour the facility as soon as possible"... it was very friendly, relaxed, informal. just get a contact number for the place, give em a call, and hopefully be able to get you in sometime soon.
 

Cirrus12

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actually i had an inside route... a friend of a friend of a friend gave me me the cell phone number of one of the supervisors, so when i called him to intro myself he said if i have any questions in the future or if i wanna set up a tour to give him a call. so i said "hey i'd love to tour the facility as soon as possible"... it was very friendly, relaxed, informal. just get a contact number for the place, give em a call, and hopefully be able to get you in sometime soon.
nice, I'm going to start calling/emailing trying to get a tour at Boston Consolidated Tracon.
 

ROMA

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lol i hope he doesn't take that personal...hey, Mr. Ed was a cool horse, it was Wilbur that was the EDP.
 

BoRn2CoNtRoL

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lmao ..... you guys are hilarious i dont know why people whould be so afraid of a level 12 tracon.... separate aircraft and issue safety alerts thats the simple part to me... i just have to be prepared to study airspace layouts and things like that im confident and ready... other people can go in thinking they gonna transfer in a year im thinking in 2 and a half to three years cpc....