Part 61 IFR Training...XC Time

crad

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I understand I need 50 hrs PIC XC time for part 61 instrument training. Are there any XC flights thats need to be completed with an instructor? Someone told me I need one that is 250 nm with 3 different approaches but I thought that was for part 141. If I need to do a specific XC flight, can I use an instrument rated safety pilot instead of an instructor?
 

Stinger

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I understand I need 50 hrs PIC XC time for part 61 instrument training. Are there any XC flights thats need to be completed with an instructor? Someone told me I need one that is 250 nm with 3 different approaches but I thought that was for part 141. If I need to do a specific XC flight, can I use an instrument rated safety pilot instead of an instructor?
Yes, your long XC needs to be with a CFII. Go look at FAR 61.65 again:
(d)Aeronautical experience for the instrument-airplane rating. A person who applies for an instrument-airplane rating must have logged:

(1) Except as provided in paragraph (g) of this section, 50 hours of cross-country flight time as pilot in command, of which 10 hours must have been in an airplane; and

(2) Forty hours of actual or simulated instrument time in the areas of operation listed in paragraph (c) of this section, of which 15 hours must have been received from an authorized instructor who holds an instrument-airplane rating, and the instrument time includes:

. (i) Three hours of instrument flight training from an authorized instructor in an airplane that is appropriate to the instrument-airplane rating within 2 calendar months before the date of the practical test; and

. (ii) Instrument flight training on cross country flight procedures, including one cross country flight in an airplane with an authorized instructor, that is performed under instrument flight rules, when a flight plan has been filed with an air traffic control facility, and that involves -

. (A) A flight of 250 nautical miles along airways or by directed routing from an air traffic control facility;

. (B) An instrument approach at each airport; and

. (C) Three different kinds of approaches with the use of navigation systems.
Actually....rereading that, now I'm thinking that just using an instrument rated safety pilot would suffice. It doesn't mention needing to use an instructor for that specific XC flight.