Pilot Pay

RdRunnr12

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Michael Moore is a douche bag, but yeah, the life of a pilot just isn't what it used to be.

That guy in Catch Me if You Can really lived it up!
 

Cirrus12

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Re: Pilot Pay:(

Michael Moore is a douche bag, but yeah, the life of a pilot just isn't what it used to be.

That guy in Catch Me if You Can really lived it up!
Well, in Catch Me if you Can he was following around Captians and FOs in the majors who were flying much more advanced aircraft. Michale Moore was talking to FOs on small commuter planes in small regional airlines.
 

drsarp22

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This is a joke.

Yeah first officers get paid nothing flying for regional airlines.

There are tons of pilots out there. All of them wnat to break in to the big leauges and make Captains pay at major airline one day. The airlines pay them little because of supply and demand. The new pilots that want to get into the industry are willing to work for very little for payout in the end. Notice he only talked about the FO's not the Captains. You think Doctors in residency or lawyers that start out clerking make serious money, hell no but they do it for the experince and the payout in the end. When I was an Amn doing ATC I was making around the same money a FO at a regional airline would. Why? Because I put in my time making nothing and getting experince so I could get into the FAA and make good money. Also the senior pilots at air carriers cant stand that all these young people accept the low pay because it hurts the Senior guys from a bargaining perspective. The reason senior pilots are getting paycuts are because there are so many young pilots out there willing to work for low wages. I had a guy in my classes in college that flew for American Eagle, no degree, little experince, but he was getting paid and raking in flight hours while he was finishing his degree, he knew what the deal was.
 

atp2atc

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Re: Pilot Pay:(

This is a joke.

Yeah first officers get paid nothing flying for regional airlines.

There are tons of pilots out there. All of them wnat to break in to the big leauges and make Captains pay at major airline one day. The airlines pay them little because of supply and demand. The new pilots that want to get into the industry are willing to work for very little for payout in the end. Notice he only talked about the FO's not the Captains. You think Doctors in residency or lawyers that start out clerking make serious money, hell no but they do it for the experince and the payout in the end. When I was an Amn doing ATC I was making around the same money a FO at a regional airline would. Why? Because I put in my time making nothing and getting experince so I could get into the FAA and make good money. Also the senior pilots at air carriers cant stand that all these young people accept the low pay because it hurts the Senior guys from a bargaining perspective. The reason senior pilots are getting paycuts are because there are so many young pilots out there willing to work for low wages. I had a guy in my classes in college that flew for American Eagle, no degree, little experince, but he was getting paid and raking in flight hours while he was finishing his degree, he knew what the deal was.

I understand what you're saying about sucking it up at first and paying your dues to get to the better pay, but its not just the pay that bothers pilots. One of the big things is having zero job security even during good economic times. I agree a doctor has it rough at the beggining, but the difference is that after a pilot pays his dues at his airline and makes it to captain or just to a senior Fo spot he could get furloughed. Then if he goes to another airline he has to pay his dues all over again. If a doctor gets laid off or leaves for another hospital he doesn't start from the beggining. Also pilots are mostly based in major cities where cost of living is too high so they are forced to commute, which leads to fatigue issues and poor quality of life. I know when pilots talk about their career is sounds like we're whinning and saying we have it bad and everyone has it easy, but there are issues that need to be changed.
I definitely agree with you about younger pilots hurting the career by taking these jobs. I was guilty of it myself. Pilots are their own worst enemy, theres no unity. Amerijet recently went on strike and I forget the exact numbers but it was sickening to see how many of the pilots were scabs.
 

Dream_Land

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My first post so go easy on me, I don't like the way pilots are always being blamed for the overall crappy airline conditions, Moore is an idiot that likes to take things out of context and dramatize the real conditions.

Conditions in the industry have changed over the years and some airlines are slow to keep up, so who gets penalized, the pilots. Not really sure how it will end up, I think the good ole days are gone, it's a new world of $30.00 fares, no food, charge extra for everything, mostly because this is what the public wants, so even though you can still make around 300K a year at SWA, I feel that the mega salaries are a thing of the past, but still a worthwhile career.
 

Rosstafari

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300k a year at SWA? Really? That's a lot higher than I'd expect. I thought you needed to be pulling international routes for the legacies to crack 100k. Shoot, I'd deal with 10 years of minimum wage and no time seeing my wife if it meant 300k down the road.
 

scope dope

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300k a year at SWA? Really? That's a lot higher than I'd expect. I thought you needed to be pulling international routes for the legacies to crack 100k. Shoot, I'd deal with 10 years of minimum wage and no time seeing my wife if it meant 300k down the road.
I find that number to be pretty hard to believe.
 

Dream_Land

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GJ, thanks for posting that, don't confuse hourly pay, with annual income, pilots are experts at working the system.

I also have a friend that went from the bus at Jet Blue, to the small jet, annual income $170K, yikes.
 

atp2atc

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78 hours is probably the minumum, like dreamland said, pilots can tweak their schedule to get over 100 credit hours for the month. Theres definitely pilots making as much as 200-300k/year but its not very common. Also with so many pilot's careers plagued with furloughs, mergers, or even their airline just going under, it takes a bit of luck to make it to those figures.
 

GolfJuliet

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75-80ish seem to be what most airlines guarantee each month, with another 80 or so reserved. With so many younger pilots willing to take pay cuts though it's becoming harder for the older guys to keep their 200K+ salaries bc they can be replaced.