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angelorozco101

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Congratulations to all of us who have been "referred"!
How do you know if you were? Check your USAJobs, it should look like this.


I dug around some threads and found this. It is extremely helpful.

KEEP IN MIND IT IS FROM A PRIOR BID!

*****DISCLAIMER*****
I do not know the mind of the FAA, everything I post under this comes from years of experience of trying to get hired by the FAA, from hours of reading these forums, and from some insider information that I have through mutual contacts. oh and finally having been picked up and going through the process in its entirety..BOOM Any and all of this is subject to change, and if you see a * that denotes that it is popular rumor but it is just that, RUMOR. Additionally, see something that contradicts actual FACT? then please let me know and I'll update this.

Welcome "newbies" to the wonderfully frustrating process of becoming an Air Traffic Control Specialist. To those of you that are pure OTS (off the street/no experience), or started a CTI (Collegiate Training Initiative/College kid) program and this is your first go at trying your luck, or military veterans who don't understand the civilian side of the hiring process, this is going to be one of the most frustrating yet rewarding experiences you will probably go through. Like traffic in a congested city, you will hurry up and wait...hurry up and wait...hurry up and wait through every step of this process. You are going to have anxiety, seeing people move onto the next step while you are still waiting, no clue if or not your day will come, and you will undoubtedly have questions regarding your future. Please use the below to have as a quick reference, should that day come.

Starting the process. (backing up just to show where we came from and to maybe future announcement people to see a time line)

1.) We all applied in March for this OTS announcement, and waited a month to find out that we passed the dreaded bio-q. Those of us that passed, were left with a nice big green check on AVIATOR, while the rest received the red mark of death. Better luck next year.

2.) Mid April we found the above results, it was then another month and some change before AT SAT notifications went out to inform more of us that we had passed the basic qualifications (which are outlined in the announcement) portion and were now eligible to test.

3.) Test dates ranged from mid June to mid July. Scheduling was done first come first serve basis but there were plenty of options (except for Alaskan folks, they got hosed). You could not reschedule within a certain time frame unless an emergency cropped up (saw a car wreck and a death in the family that were able to have their test rescheduled.)

4.) NO SCORES WERE GIVEN! It wasn't until August 13th that a select few individuals found out they passed their AT-SAT. These were given TOL's with a message of trying to fill class dates on a first come first serve basis before the end of the fiscal year (September 30th). The next day, another set of TOL's were sent out to some more individuals with the same message.

5.) On August 18th, for those not in the first round of TOL's, USAJOBS was updated to reflect a "referred" status to those that passed the AT-SAT and are still awaiting a POTENTIAL TOL. (it is not a guarentee.) ***There is rumor that due to the need to have a log of candidates going into a year where they have stated they do not have plans to have another hiring panel until the end of the year (2016) that everyone that has received "referred" will eventually get a TOL or a pre TOL.****
a year later update to the above mention rumor. Still have no idea if it was true or not, and i know i do not know ALL people that got referred last year, but i don't know anyone personally who didn't atleast get a TOL. Some got booted out for failing drug/psych/health but yea...was probably just a rumor and someone somewhere got hosed.


6A) This is the step for people with TOL's. They are now awaiting a pre employment package or just received one. You will then go through a regiment of steps including; a medical evaluation to get your medical clearance, a drug test (because drugs are bad mmkay), a psychological test (referred to as MMPI) and fill out an enourmous amount of paperwork to get you set up in the FAA system.

6B) If you don't have a TOL you....WAIT. While is has been encouraged when you see another round of TOL's to go out to call HR and see if they have your email right, too much of this is a bad thing, because it slows down HR. Use smart judgement and don't call them everyday. Until you have a TOL, you don't exist.

7A) After submitting paperwork and all required documents, you will eventually get a FOL along with an Academy class date, if you turn this down, we (non TOLer's) will burn your house down, you've been warned

7B) You wait!

8A) This is where they mixed it up starting last year. You use to go to the academy knowing where you were heading. Now you pretty much compete for prime spots with your other classmates. Towards the end (some say middle or beginning, i'm going by two verified friends that made it last year) you will get a list of what facilities are going to be available to pick. Where you finish in class determines your pick order. Top of the class goes first. So study your ass off and hope you don't have a rain man guro if you are really gunning for that desirable location

8B) hopefully you can fall back to step 6A, if not, you follow step 6B and beyond and WAIT

9A) Graduate the academy and report to your assigned facility...and relearn how THEY want you to become an air traffic controller...congratulations, you have almost made it.

9B) See 8B.

This kinda sums up what you can expect timeline wise some people will get through the medical and all that unscathed while some will get flagged and take longer.

Now for some handy information

1.) THEY NEVER GO ALPHABETICALLY. At every step it always popped up "they are going by the alphabet because a friend of mine named Adams got their message and I didn't." Not only is this wrong but its....well...yea...its just wrong. Don't believe this as it is sure to crop up at every step of the process

2.) The timing of receiving a TOL does not matter where you test, or when you test. Yea took mine the first day possible, still waiting......

3.) As far as we can tell, regional preference doesn't mean you will always go to that region. This is based more off of people from last year (2014) update...yea..definitely meant nothing, i preferred west coast but i'm sitting on the best coast (east for you haters)

4.) Military Veterans, you aren't granted priority in TOL's, from what I've seen the priority is given in being "referred." Is this actually priority, probably not, but we are dealing with a government agency, not much ever makes sense (see the CTI debate.) I believe you guys and gals get the shaft on this, but there is an experienced bid that goes out that you are eligible for so hopefull you make the cut on that.

5.) Doesn't seem age really matters either. 31 is the cut off, unless you get an age waiver, but i've seen 19 year olds get one over a 30 year old.

6.) HR aren't the ones who decides who gets a TOL and when. They receive a list and they email their people THAT'S IT. Don't call and fuss at them and ask when yours is coming because again, you don't exist to them until they get notice that they are now responsible for your paperwork.

7.) Your TOL stating your locality does not indicate where you are going after academy. Its a clever bit of sleuthing, if only everybody didn't get DC locality. Again you don't find out where you are going til the last week of the academy under the current hiring plan. Everybody in OKC that is in training gets DC locality (and taxes, have fun with that one.)

8.) Patience is your friend. Wearing out your F5 key is not going to make anything happen faster than will it will happen. Plan life like you've never dreamed of this occupation. Start a family, take a promotion, hell go gamble your life away, just forget about this process while you are waiting and be surprised when/if your day comes. For those about to age out i understand this is frustrating, and maybe you do need to do more leg work to make your dream a reality, but for the 19 year olds, chill...the...(expletive)...out.


 

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amc87

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my guess is based on the individual's ATSA score. Some will get it soon, and some won't. And maybe some won't at all.
 
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Some people said that from application--->training took 1-1.5 years in prior bids.

But in another thread someone called HR and said we're looking at 2ish months to find out if we get a TOL/training start date(do you get both of those at the same time?) and then another month before you are sent out?

So it looks like 3-4 months from now until we are in training? Seems optimistic based on what I've heard in the past.

Any ideas?
 

Purplelobj

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Bwhahaha in a month or two you may get a TOL or a PTOL. From that point it takes 4+ months to complete your background, medical, drug test, psych eval. Nobody from this bid will be going to Oklahoma City before mid to late summer, more realistically fall and beyond.
 

buckeye10

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Some people said that from application--->training took 1-1.5 years in prior bids.

But in another thread someone called HR and said we're looking at 2ish months to find out if we get a TOL/training start date(do you get both of those at the same time?) and then another month before you are sent out?

So it looks like 3-4 months from now until we are in training? Seems optimistic based on what I've heard in the past.

Any ideas?
I'm guessing 2-4 weeks for TOL's to start going out. Then you have to do medical/psych which can take a couple months if you are lucky. My guess is the first people to go to the academy will be in May.
 
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Bwhahaha in a month or two you may get a TOL or a PTOL. From that point it takes 4+ months to complete your background, medical, drug test, psych eval. Nobody from this bid will be going to Oklahoma City before mid to late summer, more realistically fall and beyond.
Ahh ok that makes more sense.. thanks for the clarification.
 

bceltics933

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Bwhahaha in a month or two you may get a TOL or a PTOL. From that point it takes 4+ months to complete your background, medical, drug test, psych eval. Nobody from this bid will be going to Oklahoma City before mid to late summer, more realistically fall and beyond.
Can always count of Purplelobj to strike down any and all hope!
 

Recycledlives

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I just got my referred status today at 4:30am. I understand hurry up and wait. But could you explain the DC locality for everyone and associated tax rate? Google says it's rather low, even when calculated at $30k.
 

Supercell

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I'm just wondering why some people know more than others, e.g. how people seem to know referral seems to be based strictly on test scores for the August 2016 announcement. I'd like to be able to go right to the source, whatever that may be.
 

angelorozco101

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I'm just wondering why some people know more than others, e.g. how people seem to know referral seems to be based strictly on test scores for the August 2016 announcement. I'd like to be able to go right to the source, whatever that may be.
Email directly from HR in my case. Other people have called HR.
 

Jabberfest

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I'm just wondering why some people know more than others, e.g. how people seem to know referral seems to be based strictly on test scores for the August 2016 announcement. I'd like to be able to go right to the source, whatever that may be.
Well that was the case last bid. We never received an email saying "Congratulations, you passed the ATSA!" (or AT-SAT back then). You either were referred or not referred. One could reasonably deduce that the referrals are based off of test scores since there are no other updates in between testing and the referrals. But some people have also called HR to confirm.
 

mike24601

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Bwhahaha in a month or two you may get a TOL or a PTOL. From that point it takes 4+ months to complete your background, medical, drug test, psych eval. Nobody from this bid will be going to Oklahoma City before mid to late summer, more realistically fall and beyond.
I just had to resurrect this, lol. Who thought it would be moving as fast as it is