RMC Program

Trickione

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Does anyone know how the process is working for the retired military controllers getting renewed? Anyone not get a renewal?
 

Stinger

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I've seen some information on a couple FAA intranet pages that I'll look into on Monday.
 

MarineATC

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I only know of five, still in the FAA. Obviously they were way smarter than me as they got in to Supervisory positions pretty quickly, and four are ATM's at small facilities, and another is a OM at PHX. I shouldn't have waited...since the RMC program got canceled around the time I took a Staff Specialist job....Now I am locked in at MSS-1 it seems, unless I want to go to a service area or HQ. There are other RMC's and former RMC's though...Wish we were better about keeping in touch.

I hear rumor the RMC program is being considered for a return...Pure rumor so far, since I do not have any info from the HR policy branch. PM me if you were an RMC (or former) and want to make contact about how your FAA time is going. I am having a heck of a time with HR and the restrictions for former RMC's that took a permanent position, which is essentially discriminating against many that were RMC's from competing for promotions.

RMC's - Reach out, how are things going for you?
 

Stinger

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I only know of five, still in the FAA. Obviously they were way smarter than me as they got in to Supervisory positions pretty quickly, and four are ATM's at small facilities, and another is a OM at PHX. I shouldn't have waited...since the RMC program got canceled around the time I took a Staff Specialist job....Now I am locked in at MSS-1 it seems, unless I want to go to a service area or HQ. There are other RMC's and former RMC's though...Wish we were better about keeping in touch.

I hear rumor the RMC program is being considered for a return...Pure rumor so far, since I do not have any info from the HR policy branch. PM me if you were an RMC (or former) and want to make contact about how your FAA time is going. I am having a heck of a time with HR and the restrictions for former RMC's that took a permanent position, which is essentially discriminating against many that were RMC's from competing for promotions.

RMC's - Reach out, how are things going for you?
What's stopping you from applying to Supervisor positions?
I've known 3 RMC controllers. 1 quit a year before his contract was up. 2 at another facility are both leaving the FAA for the DOD this year.

Your other option is to quit the FAA, and then reapply directly to a facility you want. Within 6 months of your FAA separation date, you're only eligible to return to your last facility you were CPC at. More than 6 months from your FAA separation date, you can apply to any facility.
 

oneatcer

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I too am an RMC hiree. I was a CPC at two FAA facilities, then delved into the MSS-2 realm. Life was grand until I found out that my contract probably wouldn't be extended, and that was an HR decision across the board, not the facilities decision. So, I ended up getting into the MSS-4 ranks at a smaller facility. So now I'm a permanent employee. My understanding of the whole program these days is; you need to get into the MSS-1, 3, or 4 positions (basically not requiring a medical), or the HQ or RO position. I have found no discrimination whatsoever in RMCs competing for promotions. They just needed to be in positions described above. I know of 5 RMCs in the Southwestern US that have been very successful in continuing their ATC career. 4 are MSS-4s (levels 5-8), and 1 is an MSS-1. So, keep your chin up, if you want a promotion, go get it. Life is grand.
 

Stinger

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I too am an RMC hiree. I was a CPC at two FAA facilities, then delved into the MSS-2 realm. Life was grand until I found out that my contract probably wouldn't be extended, and that was an HR decision across the board, not the facilities decision. So, I ended up getting into the MSS-4 ranks at a smaller facility. So now I'm a permanent employee. My understanding of the whole program these days is; you need to get into the MSS-1, 3, or 4 positions (basically not requiring a medical), or the HQ or RO position. I have found no discrimination whatsoever in RMCs competing for promotions. They just needed to be in positions described above. I know of 5 RMCs in the Southwestern US that have been very successful in continuing their ATC career. 4 are MSS-4s (levels 5-8), and 1 is an MSS-1. So, keep your chin up, if you want a promotion, go get it. Life is grand.
I thought a permanent MSS2 position would put an RMC person into permanent status?
You know 4 RMCs that became a facility ATM within 5 years of joining the FAA?
 

NovemberEcho

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I thought a permanent MSS2 position would put an RMC person into permanent status?
You know 4 RMCs that became a facility ATM within 5 years of joining the FAA?
Not uncommon for an RMC to have been a Chief Controller in the military and basically already have ATM experience
 

oneatcer

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I thought the same thing. If I was an MSS2, I would be permanent. That was not the case. As for RMCs becoming ATMs in 5 years, as for me, that wasn't the case. My initial contract was for 10 years. I became an ATM at about 9 1/2 years. Don't know about the others.
 

MarineATC

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Good conversation above. Regarding getting stuck as an MSS-1, this only happened because my MSS-1 is a permanent position, and the RMC program had been terminated...Meaning if you are in a covered position, you can continue as an RMC, but if you became permanent, there was no ability to be appointed to a covered position due to age restriction, and no longer was there an RMC program to allow an ATCer into a covered position. OneAtcer, I disagree that there has not been discrimination against RMC's....But this I found to be restricted to typically HR personnel not understanding the program. I was even told by HR that I wasn't an FAA employee, I was an RMC - A contractor! Anyways, won that battle, and then the RMC program was cancelled. I should call you, I'd enjoy hearing your story.

Some good news though: Just got this information and thought I could share it.

The FAA will be announcing a new RMC program soon. It will allow RMC's to receive an initial five (5)-year appointment, and the Air Traffic Organization (ATO) may request two (2) extensions of two (2) years each, followed by a one (1)-year extension if established criteria are met. The total time served by the RMC cannot exceed ten (10) years. RMCs are not subject to the maximum entry age, but they are subject to Age 56 limitations and are not eligible for Age 56 waivers. ATO is in the process of finalizing guidance that will address the specifics of the RMC Program. Retired Military Air Traffic Controller (RMC) Program will be covered under Policy Bulletin (PB) 104.

I hope this gets published soon.

Best of luck to all of you! If you are an RMC, don't let HR screw you by giving you bad info.

Keywords: Phoenix 20 Phoenix-20 RMC retired military ATC
 

MarineATC

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Stinger: My apologies for not replying to you...Hadn't been on for a while. Regarding your question: I have applied to several MSS-2 positions, and HR deems me ineligible because I am a former RMC, and am now permanent. I almost slid through on a temp bid, received a TOL and a two days later it was rescinded due to being a former RMC.

I had thought about going back to DoD, but I really enjoy my facility and the work, I am just finding it unacceptable that I am limited due to FAA policy. See my latest post though, there is hope as the FAA appears to be bringing back the RMC program. I just hope it doesn't exclude those who are permanent, or some other crazy limitation they will place on the policy.

As far as the 6 months you speak of, and the return rights and reapplying.... Right now there is no ability for the FAA to make appointments for those that retired from the military. The new policy should make that a possibility.

My best to you - B.A'
 
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abbottc23

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Hello all, I am an RMC controller at Bangor Maine. I am trying to get a permanent status after being in the agency for 6 years and HR is telling me that I can not gain that status due to the fact that I am on a temporary program. The facility is level 5 and I am not looking to go anywhere. I am from the area and want to stay here. Does anyone know of any way that I can get into a permanent position without having to quit for 6 months and then come back in? I thought about Operations Manager position but I can't apply for that because the bid says for permanent employees and I am not one. I am living year to year right now under this program. My ATM has to submit a request to keep me another year and has had to do that for the past three years now. Its kind of worrisome not knowing if I am gonna have this amazing job the following year. I know that the RMC program is coming back but different than it initially came out from reading the threads from above. I was told that I couldn't stay more that 10 years but was hired on two five years stints. After being in for a year, the agency cancelled the program. As far as I know, there are only two of us in the Eastern Region and management doesn't really know how to handle us. Any help or advice i receive from you all would be greatly appreciated.