Security Clearance Decision Maker

Cirrus12

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My understanding was that your clearance is determined by FAA Security in whatever region that you're working in. I sent off an email yesterday to my contact here asking for an update and I got this reply,

"Unfortunately, we (the New England Region) are still waiting for the Human Resource Management Office in Oklahoma City to determine your employment
suitability based on your background investigation results."

HR makes the decision?? Should I be sucking up to MG right now? If anyone has any further insight it'd be appreciated.
 

ATCtower

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The way it was put to me and hopefully this is a little more clear than our conversation this morning...

HR puts in the request for an investigation to the regional offices (Seattle for me). They initiate the investigation with complementing investigations by the FBI, OFAC, and DEA. Once the investigation is complete from the FBI (who obtains all info and puts the packet together), it is turned over to the Office of Personnel Management and FAA Field Office. They review the contents and adjuncticate a positive or negative determination.

Positive means they are initially denying, and negative means they are granting a "waiver". The waiver is sent to HR in OKC as an "all-clear" for the security. If a positive adjunctication (negative outcome for us) is determined, they hold a hearing with a panel who either upholds the decision or overturns it. If the adjunctication is still positive they notify you that you have X amount of days to appeal the decision to the appellate division. (these determinations are the ones we read about in the security clearance denial thread which no longer exists).

Again, only the way it was put to me by Pat... I hope it is correct so I am passing along the correct information and it helps a little.
 

Cirrus12

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The way it was put to me and hopefully this is a little more clear than our conversation this morning...

HR puts in the request for an investigation to the regional offices (Seattle for me). They initiate the investigation with complementing investigations by the FBI, OFAC, and DEA. Once the investigation is complete from the FBI (who obtains all info and puts the packet together), it is turned over to the Office of Personnel Management and FAA Field Office. They review the contents and adjuncticate a positive or negative determination.

Positive means they are initially denying, and negative means they are granting a "waiver". The waiver is sent to HR in OKC as an "all-clear" for the security. If a positive adjunctication (negative outcome for us) is determined, they hold a hearing with a panel who either upholds the decision or overturns it. If the adjunctication is still positive they notify you that you have X amount of days to appeal the decision to the appellate division. (these determinations are the ones we read about in the security clearance denial thread which no longer exists).

Again, only the way it was put to me by Pat... I hope it is correct so I am passing along the correct information and it helps a little.
Oh...so then it going along to OKC is a good thing then? You're saying that New England agrees with me that I'm not a threat to National Security and now they want OKC to agree to? Cause, I like that senario.
 

ATCtower

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Haha... I am not sure...

I was told very explicitly by Pat, and via email as well (without me requesting it) that SHE had cleared me and was sending the waiver to OKC.

This is her exact email after talking with me (obviously with certain edits for privacy):

Hi B

I have sent BD an email that you have been granted a waiver.

P R
Personnel Security Specialist
FAA/ANM-751-I
(425) ***-****
 

Cirrus12

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Haha... I am not sure...

I was told very explicitly by Pat, and via email as well (without me requesting it) that SHE had cleared me and was sending the waiver to OKC.

This is her exact email after talking with me (obviously with certain edits for privacy):

Hi B

I have sent BD an email that you have been granted a waiver.

P R
Personnel Security Specialist
FAA/ANM-751-I
(425) ***-****
LA wasn't quite so direct with me. Well, maybe if I decide to be optimistic I can view it that way. In her email last month she said that she had completed her report on me and sent it along to her superiors. In the email she sent me yesterday she said they were waiting to hear back from OKC. So maybe....just maybe, this means that she sent my report to her superiors. They reviewed it and said, "Alright, he's made some mistakes, but he's an OK guy. Let's give him a waiver!" Then she sent it on over to OKC and they're just waiting to hear back. Maybe?
 

TUAIRMAN

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My understanding was that your clearance is determined by FAA Security in whatever region that you're working in. I sent off an email yesterday to my contact here asking for an update and I got this reply,

"Unfortunately, we (the New England Region) are still waiting for the Human Resource Management Office in Oklahoma City to determine your employment
suitability based on your background investigation results."

HR makes the decision?? Should I be sucking up to MG right now? If anyone has any further insight it'd be appreciated.

HR doesn't make the decision. They have a security department that handles your screen, totally opposite from your HR representative. Also I'm assuming that since at some point you have to attend OKC for training OKC has to sign off as well. Security clearances are done on a Federal level though, so if you are cleared in New England you are pretty much set to be cleared anywhere else.
 

ATCtower

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Haha, thanks Rossta...

I have the relevant link. Actually I have the one that is up to date and categorized by reason/denial/etc.

:p
 

ATCtower

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The one I have been compiling in a spreadsheet type program includes anyone applying for "Classified", and "Secret" security clearances. (well anyone they do not deem "sensitive". I have found a few that are listed that way, but are generally informative and certain sections are not accessible.

I can send a few here and there but full access to the program will be posted elsewhere in about 3 months.
 

Cirrus12

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Yeah, that guy's got it going on. I've met SO many eleven year old girls at 9/11 vigils.

Reading these always make me feel better about myself. I may be broke and unemployed, but at least I didn't tell a cop that a kid was my goddess and that I'd make her a woman on Halloween.
I may have...once or twice.
 

Cirrus12

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Didn't your clearance take a little bit longer? Think I just solved the mystery.

Me, I prefer grandmas, soccer moms, gnomes... you know, the more usual stuff.
Actually...clearance still hasn't come through. And Grandmas are hot! You have your way with them then they go and bake you cookies.
 

AirborneJFO

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Phase I: Collect Underpants
Phase II: ?
Phase III: Profit




Almost like the process HR does to ATC applicants except they are stuck on Phase II all the time.