Terminated Training, No Specific Reason: Possible Retaliation?

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JamesEarlJones

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There seems to be a lot behind the scenes you haven't or aren't divulging....

How many total hours did you spend training on the position?

did you time and time again get extensions or have your hours reset?

We're you passed by multiple people who certified before you?

If this isn't you your first rodeo, are you saying the training process has been unfair to you before?

All of these are generally red flags.

Then again I don't know your situation, but I've heard this argument before And the devil is in the details.

It's the ones that have to argue every training session and constantly defend their performance, that don't belong in the job. Sometimes we have to take a good hard look at ourselves first.

good luck.

And sometimes we work with assholes that love to find a target and get off on washing them out.
 

The Fold

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I can chime in and say that you normally do not get a rep during a performance record of conversation. That being said, how many have you had? Per the EXACT manual that these come from, you shall not manage training or performance from a snapshot of one specific incident. They are apparently not disciplinary, however, most supervisors will allow a rep in the room if they have a good working relationship with the sup.

They are used to gather trends (i.e. you constantly not having separation on an arrival, or not seeing speeds).



My OJTi disagreed from time to time, but he was a big emough man to admit when he was wrong and I showed him my sources. Everyone is wrong from time to time and people make mistakes.
 

Usm4r1n3

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Obviously way more to the story, But I still don't feel that I was dangerous and unable to run the position. But I do know I worked different than many of the people at the facility and it rubbed a few of the people the wrong way because of it.
I'd say your approach is wrong. You always stick with proper procedures and what the OJTI says. The people at your facility have been doing what works for their location for years. There are reasons why they didn't like your unorthodox methods. I would have taken the word of OJTI's as gospel unless I was going from NY tracon to a slow facility that has 2 airports. It's about being humble. Showing something new to them shouldn't happen because in their facility they have seen the pros and cons of different controlling methods. I hate to say it but it's not about how you feel, It's about how you adapt.
 

lowapproach

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Move on to the NEST. You are done here. Make sure that anybody willing to speak for you will write a letter on your behalf to include in your package. On your way out, talk to your trainers and ask for their honest opinions about why you didn't certify. Shut up, listen and internalize whatever they say for the future. You've been argumentative the whole way, and I doubt it worked to your benefit with 300 hours of training.

Also, if you're going to piss on the shoes of facility management with an ATSAP, it's stupid to do it when you still need a supervisor's signature on your certification. If you need to refer to a procedure or facility directive when you ATSAP a deal, fine, but otherwise keep your great thoughts to yourself.
 

Imapilot

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This post has gotten off topic and nothing productive is coming of it. Thank you for the advice everone has given. Going to ask to have it deleted
 

Jax

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I'd say your approach is wrong. You always stick with proper procedures and what the OJTI says. The people at your facility have been doing what works for their location for years. There are reasons why they didn't like your unorthodox methods. I would have taken the word of OJTI's as gospel unless I was going from NY tracon to a slow facility that has 2 airports. It's about being humble. Showing something new to them shouldn't happen because in their facility they have seen the pros and cons of different controlling methods. I hate to say it but it's not about how you feel, It's about how you adapt.
If I ever transfer somewhere else, lower level facility or not, the first thing that I would make sure to do is to stay humble, and listen to the people that have been working there, as they know their facilty and operations way better than I do.
 

Usm4r1n3

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If I ever transfer somewhere else, lower level facility or not, the first thing that I would make sure to do is to stay humble, and listen to the people that have been working there, as they know their facilty and operations way better than I do.

I agree. Just thinking of an extreme that may be acceptable
 

GulfCharlie

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Apparently he didn't get the answer he wanted to hear... So he took his ball and left.
Of course, you didn't tel me what I wanted nor offered "constructive criticism" lol. Hopefully he learns to just shut up instead of fighting everyone on everything.
 

SnoopDog

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Of course, you didn't tel me what I wanted nor offered "constructive criticism" lol. Hopefully he learns to just shut up instead of fighting everyone on everything.

I don't know this guy from Jack. But sometimes, a fight is whats needed. I have seen some very shady things done. Things where i thought, I wouldn't let them do that to me.
 

GulfCharlie

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In fact, if you get bored, why don't you just hijack an ice cream truck and drive it through our brand new pathology lab? But do me a favor and spare the paper shredder, because I'll need that to turn your next twelve paychecks into a clown wig you can wear for the rest of your internship!
 
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