The FAA May Have Broken the Public’s Trust

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Fox Business The Willis Report at 5 pm EST tonight and will be replayed on the fox business website tonight!

[video]https://www.facebook.com/FoxBusiness/videos/10153274894855238/[/video]
 

HonestJohn

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May have broken the trust???? Everybody knew that the biographical assessment was a complete joke with out any validity. They hired a sham outfit out of Atlanta to validate their test on a government contract. Put the right amount of money in front of an organization and they'll validate that ones score in playing monopoly is relevant to their performance as an astronaut. The FAA knew that the thing was invalid and privately said so yet they pressed on to the exclusion of a lot of good people. Add the fact that the test had been illegally released to many individuals who probably passed it on to countless others and it's blatant that the whole thing is a fraud.

The entire test should be invalidated, the results scrapped, and the testing started anew WITHOUT the biographical assessment.
 

HonestJohn

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That's not the point.. If you were a military ATC who was going to age out after the last test, and you got rejected while a whole bunch of others were accepted because they got ahold of a "stolen" test, you'd be pissed also.
 

gsujake

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If the BioQ was actually helpful, then washout rates for OTS would be lower than previous OTS bids, right?
 

nhstadt

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.....This....Again.....? Seriously this horse is now just a pink and red pile of mush at this point. Some of the best controllers I've worked with are "off the street". Quit your bitching and drive on.

But then again.... its from Fox news so it MUST be true. I'm so torn.
 

PhillyManlove

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The washout rates are relatively the same for all applicants for the past 25 years. It really comes down to the OJTI's and whether we feel you can do the job. Because no one... and i mean no one.... cares what hiring source you come from.
 

SierraBravo

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The crux of the issue is: The FAA claims that the new hiring process with the Biographical Questionnaire is giving them the "most qualified candidates."

Fact: There are people who passed the BQ who have no college education, military time, or aviation work experience. At the same time, there are applicants who possess all 3 of those metrics who were deemed "ineligible" by the BQ.

The FAA's claim is simply false.

NOBODY who is being honest in their assertion will claim that CTI or VRA is unquestionably better suited to be an air traffic controller. The argument is simply that the current hiring process is FUNDAMENTALLY FLAWED, and it needs to go.

Outside of that, there is plenty of room for fair debate on the issues of student loan debt, veterans not receiving veteran preference BEFORE the scoring of the BQ, and other issues.

Also, guys... There is a reason why this story has been run by numerous local outlets over the past year, culminating in this one hour special that will air on national television tonight. There is a reason why there have been two bills introduced to Congress. There is a reason why Huerta and others have had to answer questions from Congressmen and women.

Try to look at this objectively, and you might be able to see where the other side is coming from.
 

HonestJohn

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It wasn't an FAA employee passing on info to A candidate, it's about the test being compromised and being passed on to many people. Why is it so hard to understand why people would be pissed off because they "didn't make the grade," while many others did through illegal means.

IMO, OTS's are just as likely to make a good controller as a CTI or VRA....but that's not the issue. The issue is that the current hiring process is seriously flawed. The FAA has know this but has turned a blind eye.
 

PhillyManlove

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It wasn't an FAA employee passing on info to A candidate, it's about the test being compromised and being passed on to many people. Why is it so hard to understand why people would be pissed off because they "didn't make the grade," while many others did through illegal means.

IMO, OTS's are just as likely to make a good controller as a CTI or VRA....but that's not the issue. The issue is that the current hiring process is seriously flawed. The FAA has know this but has turned a blind eye.

My comprehension of the FOX video at this point is Person A... ( an FAA employee) passing on test information to person b...
 

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[h=1]FAA hiring practices putting passengers at risk?[/h]May. 20, 2015 - 2:05 - Investigation reveals some air traffic controllers may have cheated to get their jobs
 

GulfCharlie

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So it was an affirmative action group (NBCFAE) that sent the test to only their people. Oh this is going to get good.. This begs the question, who is really racist ?
 

HonestJohn

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My comprehension of the FOX video at this point is Person A... ( an FAA employee) passing on test information to person b...
How did you surmise that? The premise is that the test was given to many. Think about it, if person A only gave it to person B, then why would person B record the transaction and cry foul.
 

GulfCharlie

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I was thinking that it might have been the Coalition.
I mean... Are we really surprised? Anything to give an advantage to their members or associative members, but lets throw the hard working girl of African descent who slaved for that 4.0 GPA and scored a 100 on the ATSAT but did not join the "group" because she wanted to work hard and succeed instead of being associated with NBCFAE.

The CTI/VRA bullshit aside anyone else have a huge problem with this?