Updated Age 31 Requirements

mgcb

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Hello all,

Just was surfing the new updated Aviation Careers website, and looks like it was updated 1/23/2014. What I noticed was that instead of saying something about receiving a TOL prior to age 31 to freeze your age, it now states that you must "Start at the FAA Academy no later than your 31st birthday."

Naturally I called the ACD phone number to verify but I could tell that the guy was not sure what I was talking about. After that I got in touch with another HR contact, and she said that it was new news to her and her office. She also indicated that their manager was looking in to it and said to expect that the old rule was still the case.

I'm hoping that this was just a typo, however I am worried that this is ANOTHER new policy that will further destroy my chances that hasn't been fully communicated yet. Just a couple of days before that on Jan 21, the same website stated, "Applicants must be a U.S. citizen, under 30 years of age and pass a physical exam, drug screening and criminal background check. Job aptitude tests may also be required. Related military air traffic control experience or two-to-four years of college in aviation-related degrees are ideal paths to qualifying (see Air Traffic Collegiate Training Initiative Program (AT-CTI) Schools). Three years of progressive work experience (commercial pilot, navigator or air dispatcher experience), or a combination of college and work experience, may also qualify you."

I don't know who the person is updating the site, but they keep either messing up big time or the FAA is changing the age requirements pretty frequently. Anyone have any other news about this?
 
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BadPassportPhoto

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Damn if that's how it really goes now that would eliminate a lot more people. I just turned 31 when I started and there were like 5 or so more people older than me in my class.
 

mgcb

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Yeah I feel like a whole bunch of us right at the edge would immediately get the boot. I hope they just made a typo.
 

GS3k

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They might be trying to tighten up their requirements to make it more consistent. There was a recent age discrimination lawsuit and allowing people over the age of 31 to become employed would be something that could be used against them in court, even if they were technically hired before then.
 

rhd9b

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You really think someone would make a "typo" with such precise wording?
 

mgcb

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It does seem weird that it would be a typo when it seems so descriptive, but I also thought it was weird that HR had no idea about it. Also came across an HR Policy Bulletin #12- In-Process Rule for Air Traffic Control Specialist Positions. Thats the official "your TOL freezes your age policy" that is still in place. Now if they just haven't taken it down off the website and it is in fact true that would really suck.

I'm gonna call AW tomorrow and double check with her that it was not anything that is in place, that was what she said today but that they were looking into it. The fact that the last iteration of the same website was completely wrong as well makes me hope that the person doing the updating just has no idea what is going on.
 

mgcb

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logically it would make sense that it's a typo.

otherwise you have all this time/expenses getting people background checks, drug tested, interviewed, given TOL letters....and then if the academy is too full or there's any delay in the process (sequester 2.0) and your 31st birthday comes and goes, they just wasted all that time for nothing. so would they end up only handing out offer sheets to those under ~28 years old....expecting a 2+ year wait to the academy? then why not make it ~29 deadline on a TOL instead?

makes far more sense to have the TOL be the determining factor.

that being said, FAA and logic......
I like your thinking, I didn't really think of it that way. It is a lot of time and effort involved after the TOL to get the person to the Academy, and if the ass-in-seat at Academy is what freezes your age that makes things a whole lot more unsure.

Even if we have all these gajillion class dates planned out and started this fancy new automated hiring process, all it takes is a little cut in the budget to get a bunch of them cancelled (god forbid), then we have a lot of TOL holders sitting around aging out.
 

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Yeah, I noticed both of those statements you referenced in some other forums on SM and was wondering why no one mentioned it sooner. Really hoping it's a typo or a secretary error or something. Who knows, but hope they have an answer for you soon. Keep us posted. This just puts the fire under my butt to try and Palace Chase now. I don't need my window of opportunity to get any smaller.
 

mgcb

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Yeah, I noticed both of those statements you referenced in some other forums on SM and was wondering why no one mentioned it sooner. Really hoping it's a typo or a secretary error or something. Who knows, but hope they have an answer for you soon. Keep us posted. This just puts the fire under my butt to try and Palace Chase now. I don't need my window of opportunity to get any smaller.
Well I just spoke with AW at Aviation Careers and she said that her management directed them that the policy is business as usual, and the TOL is still what freezes your age. Sounds like a typo, cause she was very matter of fact that nothing had changed with the policy. For anyone with access to the FAA network that is interested in the specifics of this policy check out the Policy Bulletin #12 which explains the freezing of age with TOL.

Still makes me nervous that the website says otherwise but I suppose if the office in charge of all this new hiring says nothing has changed than I will be cool with that. Good news, I'll take it.

Also for anyone concerned I asked about transcripts because there was some uncertainty. The OFFICIAL transcripts need to be in hand for your application so you can scan and upload them to your resume.
 

Alphawhiskey87

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Well I just spoke with AW at Aviation Careers and she said that her management directed them that the policy is business as usual, and the TOL is still what freezes your age. Sounds like a typo, cause she was very matter of fact that nothing had changed with the policy. For anyone with access to the FAA network that is interested in the specifics of this policy check out the Policy Bulletin #12 which explains the freezing of age with TOL.

Still makes me nervous that the website says otherwise but I suppose if the office in charge of all this new hiring says nothing has changed than I will be cool with that. Good news, I'll take it.

Also for anyone concerned I asked about transcripts because there was some uncertainty. The OFFICIAL transcripts need to be in hand for your application so you can scan and upload them to your resume.
Buddy. If you can scan your transcript, it is NO LONGER OFFICIAL. That would make it an unofficial transcript and those are obtainable online. For a transcript to be official, it has to be in a sealed envelope. Once that seal is broken, it becomes UNOFFICIAL. FYI
 

mgcb

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I'm just letting you know what I heard from HR this morning when I called and asked specifically. She mentioned nothing of mailing transcripts, only of the need to have them on hand and uploading them to your account. Everyone do as you like, worst case scenario just keep them in a sealed envelope and then see what the announcement actually says.
 

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Buddy. If you can scan your transcript, it is NO LONGER OFFICIAL. That would make it an unofficial transcript and those are obtainable online. For a transcript to be official, it has to be in a sealed envelope. Once that seal is broken, it becomes UNOFFICIAL. FYI
Correct. I would mail the transcript/s to them anyway. If they don't need it, no harm done.