Vehicle Access to Runway

atc12345678

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Is there anything .65 wise that says that you can't allow a vehicle, say like airfield management wanting to do an RSC check, to proceed on a runway once the landing aircraft passes the intersection where the vehicle is parked but the aircraft is still on the runway rolling out. It talks about ensuring the runway is free of vehicles prior to the aircraft crossing the landing threshold but doesn't really say at what point after it crosses the threshold a vehicle can proceed on as opposed to just crossing the runway. If someone were to wait for an aircraft to pass an intersection where a vehicle was waiting to get on the runway, then tell the vehicle to proceed on the runway (versus approving a crossing which the .65 covers) before the landing aircraft had exited the runway, would this be considered a runway incursion?
 

Mike-Delta

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I think this is what you are looking for:

3-7-2 TAXI AND GROUND MOVEMENT OPERATIONS

g. Crossing of active runway(s) by aircraft/vehicle(s):
2. During arrival operations, ensure the following:
(b) A crossing aircraft/vehicle will not cross the runway holding position markings until the arrival has landed and either:
(3) The arriving aircraft has passed the point at which the crossing is intended.
 

Stinger

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Is there anything .65 wise that says that you can't allow a vehicle, say like airfield management wanting to do an RSC check, to proceed on a runway once the landing aircraft passes the intersection where the vehicle is parked but the aircraft is still on the runway rolling out. It talks about ensuring the runway is free of vehicles prior to the aircraft crossing the landing threshold but doesn't really say at what point after it crosses the threshold a vehicle can proceed on as opposed to just crossing the runway. If someone were to wait for an aircraft to pass an intersection where a vehicle was waiting to get on the runway, then tell the vehicle to proceed on the runway (versus approving a crossing which the .65 covers) before the landing aircraft had exited the runway, would this be considered a runway incursion?
Any of the following answers are legal:
1. Aircraft is off the runway prior to telling the vehicle to proceed on the runway,
2. Give the aircraft an exiting instruction, and receive a positive readback, prior to telling the vehicle to proceed on the runway (ideally with a traffic exchange),
3. Aircraft passes the intersection the vehicle is at, and then tell the vehicle to proceed on the runway (in that scenario I'll tell the vehicle, "from Gulf proceed on..." and that's more for the aircraft's benefit so they don't think I'm putting a vehicle on the runway in front of them.

Just be very aware of what's going on with that third point. If you have multiple vehicles wanting on the runway from different points (like for snow removal) be very specific and clear about who you're talking to and where they're entering at. Snowplows/Sweepers/Snow Throwers are all loud vehicles with lots of other chatter going on in the background of their other radios.