Washed Out at OKC in 2012. Can I Apply at 31?

rhd9b

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Ha!!! I'm studying now and breaking every 5 min to check for responses to my Qs. Multitasking!
 

angryweb

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My class had 2 people struggling. Both dropped out before finishing.

Then 6 washed after. Half was expected, the other half were a shock to everyone.

One of the top people in the class barely studied. Some people just get it.
 

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The COO is on record saying that the Academy is going back to the screen mentality. If Phillymanlove was a betting man...and he is.. Phillymanlove would bet you are going to see a substantially higher number of washouts. And to be honest...this is what we in the field want to see as well. Bring Phillymanlove your best.
 

Plaaaane

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The COO is on record saying that the Academy is going back to the screen mentality. If Phillymanlove was a betting man...and he is.. Phillymanlove would bet you are going to see a substantially higher number of washouts. And to be honest...this is what we in the field want to see as well. Bring Phillymanlove your best.
What was the old pass rate for terminal and enroute?
 

PhillyManlove

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What was the old pass rate for terminal and enroute?
If you talk to old timers from the 1980's screen..... it was like 8 out of 30 made it. Everyone was screened with a non radar problem.
Phillymanlove thinks the washout rate is going to be near 40-50 percent according to rumors around our facility...
 

Plaaaane

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If you talk to old timers from the 1980's screen..... it was like 8 out of 30 made it. Everyone was screened with a non radar problem.
Phillymanlove thinks the washout rate is going to be near 40-50 percent according to rumors around our facility...
And the curren is what? 10-25% depending on enroute or terminal?
 

rhd9b

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The CWP suggests they've only been washing 50-100 per year, so that's probably 10% max.
 

Jax

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One of the top people in the class barely studied. Some people just get it.
This is correct, and I believe that is the main reason why OTS hiring is returning, and CTI dying. Some people are just "naturals" and get it right away. Things like good situational awareness, spacial relationships, multitasking, prioritizing, nerves of steel, and ability to keep your cool under pressure, which are some the basic skills needed to be a good ATC can't be taught in a classroom.

Things like the 7110.65, the AIM, facility SOP/LOA's, airspace maps, etc are the theory and academics portion, and that can be given to you at your assigned facility.
 
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Jax

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If you talk to old timers from the 1980's screen..... it was like 8 out of 30 made it. Everyone was screened with a non radar problem.
Phillymanlove thinks the washout rate is going to be near 40-50 percent according to rumors around our facility...
My OKC academy input was 291 total incoming from all regions, broken down into many different classrooms of around 16-18 students per class, usually people from the same region would be together in those. 106 out of the 291 total input graduated the screen portion, and continued to follow on, and to the field. I'm not sure what was the actual CPC count out of those that made it from the other classrooms, but my NY area classroom had 18, and only 6 of us made out of the screen, and 5 of the 6 eventually made CPC.

It was a meat grinder for sure, but it did serve its purpose of weeding out most potential failures. The checkout rate of people that made it through the old Academy was much higher.
 

Aries

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Yes, you can. As for how competitive it is though, especially with these new announcements, nobody knows. At any rate, best of luck!
 

real416

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According to the revised FAA website, they state that you must:


Looks like a change in the requirement to me. Don't know how it will affect you.

Here's the link: Aviation Careers

But yea, calling to ask is probably a good idea.
 

angryweb

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Thanks for all of the well wishers!

Like I said, I really hope it comes through but I am going to apply and just get back to my current life and not "bank" on getting hired. I don't want to raise expectations and if I do get a second chance, I would be ecstatic.
 

h4xit

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Second angryweb - was told en route washout was 30-40% at OKC
 

rhd9b

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FAA must be under-reporting the washout numbers in the CWP then. 40% would mean at least a couple hundred people per year are washing just in en route.
 

NovemberEcho

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And the AF told me the washout rate at Keesler was 50% but in reality it was closer to 20-30%. They always overstate what the rate is to students to make sure the reality of it is in their heads.