Why do some people fail the academy?

Airforceone

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ambers1032:217745 said:
Have you done any research on this subject or are you just speculating?

If you had done your homework, you will find that there is in fact an innate (genetic) skill set that the ATSAT was originally designed to uncover. Unfortunately, the scoring in the ATSAT was adjusted/watered down to be politically correct (i.e. too many non-whites, non-males were not passing) and it is now essentially worthless as a screening tool.

Hence, those without these innate skills are now showing up at the academy and unfortunately even the field facilities and must be washed out there.
So you trying to say that the ATSAT was revised because "non-white" and "women" were not able to pass? lmao you must be a ROMNEY voter. Every human has the same brain. Smart duckling you are.
Actually he is right...google exactly what you asked...
 

RomeoNovember

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I cant believe you call FOX news a news station. "The Romney porn channel"
Then please explain why FOX ratings beat every other network combined, at anytime? It's the most creditable news station on cable, not my opinion, just fact! Why watch a station that doesn't give you truthful news? Yes, they have some stupid BS as well as the others but there're not rated #1 for no reason. Numbers dont lie! Your IQ will drop dramatically if you continue to watch MSNBC! I'm an independent for the record. I don't care what color, gender, or party the next president is, I just want them to STOP spending money we don't have, period!

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ambers1032

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Then please explain why FOX ratings beat every other network combined, at anytime? It's the most creditable news station on cable, not my opinion, just fact! Why watch a station that doesn't give you truthful news? Yes, they have some stupid BS as well as the others but there're not rated #1 for no reason. Numbers dont lie! Your IQ will drop dramatically if you continue to watch MSNBC! I'm an independent for the record. I don't care what color, gender, or party the next president is, I just want them to STOP spending money we don't have, period!

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Once again who watches MSNBC? That must be an assumption, just like the assumption that all democrats are on welfare. LOL im an registered independent as well, but i refuse to let a man regulate my body. I can understand regulation for mothers who abort their baby for no reason. But your trying to tell me that if i get RAPED, i have to live with a baby that was brought into this world by one of the most traumatic events of my life? Your a man so you probably dont understand or care. You want to cut debt, but the top welfare states are red states. So what does that say? Most of the people voting for obama would be voting for romney if he didnt push his beliefs on them because everyone is tired of the bs. I was hoping for a better republican candidate but instead got stuck with another obama. I want welfare to die.:usflag: P.s- just because you have high ratings, it does not mean that your are CREDIBLE. I don't know where you made that assumption from either.

Its so easy to troll these Romney supporters. This is not a mitt romney forum, so im done having an argument leave that for the debates. Lets get back to "why people fail the academy"
 
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RomeoNovember

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Once again who watches MSNBC? That must be an assumption, just like the assumption that all democrats are on welfare. LOL im an registered independent as well, but i refuse to let a man regulate my body. I can understand regulation for mothers who abort their baby for no reason. But your trying to tell me that if i get RAPED, i have to live with a baby that was brought into this world by one of the most traumatic events of my life? Your a man so you probably dont understand or care. You want to cut debt, but the top welfare states are red states. So what does that say? Most of the people voting for obama would be voting for romney if he didnt push his beliefs on them because everyone is tired of the bs. I was hoping for a better republican candidate but instead got stuck with another obama. I want welfare to die.:usflag: P.s- just because you have high ratings, it does not mean that your are CREDIBLE. I don't know where you made that assumption from either.

Its so easy to troll these Romney supporters. This is not a mitt romney forum, so im done having an argument leave that for the debates. Lets get back to "why people fail the academy"
I didn't assume that you watched MSNBC, that was someone else and where did I assume all dems are/want welfare? Nobodies going to over turn "Roe v. Wade" your rights are protected no matter which party you vote for. I'm pro choice as well.
 

blakeh

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Everyone above saying "you have it or you don't," knows this, but I think this comes off the wrong way to new hires. You are not genetically coded from birth to be a controller. It is a learned skill that can be improved. Some folks may not possess the right skill sets to advance in this career, but that doesn't mean it can't be learned by folks who previously had an inclination toward bad performance.
Amen!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

RomeoNovember

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Sorry I copyed the wrong one, read it or not I don't care...

here's the right one...I'm just the messenger here. I don't think it mentions non-males.

http://www.dtic.mil/cgi-bin/GetTRDoc?AD=ADA461242
This is really sad! Can someone explain to me why different races get their scores adjusted? We're all human, right! I didn't have time to read the entire thing either, so maybe I got the wrong message.
 

Airforceone

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RomeoNovember:218839 said:
Sorry I copyed the wrong one, read it or not I don't care...

here's the right one...I'm just the messenger here. I don't think it mentions non-males.

http://www.dtic.mil/cgi-bin/GetTRDoc?AD=ADA461242
This is really sad! Can someone explain to me why different races get their scores adjusted? We're all human, right! I didn't have time to read the entire thing either, so maybe I got the wrong message.
From what I read is they adjusted how they scored the atsat...everyone improved but races other than white improved the most.
 

AlphaRomeo_

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If anyone here has been to the Naval Air traffic control school in Florida id like to know how much harder OKC is than that.

Im sure its more difficult but id just like to know how much harder it is.

Might be hard to compare them tho because the naval school was centred around tower, arrival and par/asr.
 

diamondki84

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If your talking about nas Pensacola school... then I went there and even stayed there on a year billet as an instructor assistant running the Sims.....hard to judge only because when I was at Pensacola I didn't know a thing about atc and did well there 2nd in my class and enjoyed it. Okc was more of a refresher is anything and didn't find it hard at all...went thru RTF at okc and was allowed to skipped tower...not sure if that helps but my 2 cents!
 

deltabravo89

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Why work hard? You either have it or you don't.
i dont completely agree with this. i think, at the academy, you have to work hard. you dont just 'have' it when it comes to loas and technique. if you think about an academy perspective, what you said isnt correct at all